2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

The TIE Hunter is essentially the Imperial X-Wing, designed for exclusive use for the Storm Commandos.

Wait, do the wings on the Tie Hunter close? If so, I never knew that, and that’s a pretty stupid rip off.

I didnt like the Hunter initially, but shear repetition on the x-wing forum has kinda made it grow on me. If those are supposed to be s-foils though, that may kick it back to super lame.

6 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Wait, do the wings on the Tie Hunter close? If so, I never knew that, and that’s a pretty stupid rip off.

I didnt like the Hunter initially, but shear repetition on the x-wing forum has kinda made it grow on me. If those are supposed to be s-foils though, that may kick it back to super lame.

Yes?

Weirdly enough for a starfighter that is supposed to be the Imperial counter to the X-Wing the TIE Hunter has an identical armament to the Y-Wing, two laser cannons, two ion cannons, and a proton torpedo launcher with twelve proton torpedos.

49 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Sometimes.

The B2 is the new with 2 handles sticking down, right?

Lancer gets mentioned enough that I have had to google it enough to actually remember it’s the boring, lame cylinder that was replaced by the much cooler raider

Carrack is a name I recognize, but can’t put a silhouette to, pretty sure it’s another boring cylinder though.

pretty close, you are right that the design could be better but if we ARE going for "are mentioned and used a lot in the old EU and loads of people know of them" then they are obvious choices. anyways here they are

Nebulon B2

Lancer frigate ( more of a pointed down triangle with a big head and huge ***)

Carrack light cruiser ( This one is mentioned in the new cannon a lot as something that is around, also more square than cylindrical I'd say)

37 minutes ago, Geressen said:

pretty close, you are right that the design could be better but if we ARE going for "are mentioned and used a lot in the old EU and loads of people know of them" then they are obvious choices. anyways here they are

Nebulon B2

Lancer frigate ( more of a pointed down triangle with a big head and huge ***)

Carrack light cruiser ( This one is mentioned in the new cannon a lot as something that is around, also more square than cylindrical I'd say)

The Carrack could be the small maneuverable flanker every Imperial player has wanted.

1 hour ago, Geressen said:

Carrack light cruiser ( This one is mentioned in the new cannon a lot as something that is around, also more square than cylindrical I'd say)

It’s mentioned in Tarkin, AKA “James Luceno’s Last-Ditch Attempt to Drag Things Into Canon.” And I have no problem with that (heck, he saved the VSD,) but is it mentioned anywhere else?

13 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

It’s mentioned in Tarkin, AKA “James Luceno’s Last-Ditch Attempt to Drag Things Into Canon.” And I have no problem with that (heck, he saved the VSD,) but is it mentioned anywhere else?

Aftermath.

Book one of the aftermath trilogy.

5 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Bottom Line Up Front: If someone has to Google what a ship, squadron, or special forces unit is and what it looks like, they are not going to be attached to it, which does not bode well for your argument that it should be in the game.

Isn't that like 50% of the stuff we have?

15 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

Isn't that like 50% of the stuff we have?

Not if you’ve watched the movies and the Rebels series... then it’s only wave 1 & 2 content you wouldn’t recognize.

34 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

Isn't that like 50% of the stuff we have?

Not even close. Off the top of my head, the only ship I did not immediately recognize was the Gladiator and the only squadrons were the Decimator, E-Wing, HWK-290, Scurrg, and Z-95 (thanks Empire at War!)

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Not if you’ve watched the movies and the Rebels series... then it’s only wave 1 & 2 content you wouldn’t recognize.

I didn't watch any of the Rebels episodes... didn't like the animation change from the Clone Wars. That being said it doesn't bother me too much that I don't really know much about Agent Kallus or Minister Tua, they have good abilities and that's what matters, plus my curiosity compelled me to look them up.

6 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

It’s mentioned in Tarkin, AKA “James Luceno’s Last-Ditch Attempt to Drag Things Into Canon.” And I have no problem with that (heck, he saved the VSD,) but is it mentioned anywhere else?

I think Nash Windrider ends up captain of one at the end of Lost stars.

When you go to Star Wars Wiki - list of EU stuff you'll find a list of all stuff in Armada, that currently is no part of any film or TV-show. There are 54 entries from "Howlrunner" to Zertik Strom. Without obscured stuff we would have a poorer Armada game.

32 minutes ago, Triangular said:

When you go to Star Wars Wiki - list of EU stuff you'll find a list of all stuff in Armada, that currently is no part of any film or TV-show. There are 54 entries from "Howlrunner" to Zertik Strom. Without obscured stuff we would have a poorer Armada game.

TIE Fighters and TIE Advanceds are not obscure though. I would not consider pilots for known ships obscure, since I’m pretty sure most of us can’t keep track of all the pilots in Star Wars.

Edit: Unless I'm mistaken, this is because the majority of the discussions about canon/legends and recognizable/obscure focus on ships and squadrons (plastic models), not specific people or upgrade cards.

36 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

TIE Fighters and TIE Advanceds are not obscure though. I would not consider pilots for known ships obscure, since I’m pretty sure most of us can’t keep track of all the pilots in Star Wars.

Edit: Unless I'm mistaken, this is because the majority of the discussions about canon/legends and recognizable/obscure focus on ships and squadrons (plastic models), not specific people or upgrade cards.

To be honest, for a lot of stuff it is very hard to decide which category is appropriate. There are lot of characters in the movies that never say a line and just add to the background. Later some author or game designer comes up with a name and/or a story for a star wars figure. And then they declare Mister/Misses Nobody from a film scene of mere parts of a second to be "him" or "her".

Is "Howlrunner" part of the of episode V because we see a TIE Fighter chasing the Falcon? Same with General Cracken who was clearly invented by WEG for rpg source books. They declared him being the background actor in Episode VI, sitting in the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon right behind Lando Calrissian.

I decided "Howlrunner" to be EU because she doesn't even has a background actor and Cracken to be OT because he has at least a face in the movie. But the whole point of my post was to say, that we NEED "obscure" sources to enrich the Star Wars Universe we saw in films and TV-shows. Without we wouldn't have Gladiator SD, AF 2, MC30c, and a whole bunch of aces, officers and commanders.

I don't mind if FFG invents a Raider. As long as the ship fits in and has a decent role in the game, I'm fine with that. And I would be okay with other ships, squadrons and characters from other sources. And if I don't like it, I always can decide not to buy it.

Are we at the point where Empire at War ships are considered obscure?

On 9/21/2018 at 6:52 PM, Piratical Moustache said:

Does it matter if future Armada content comes from the far corners of Canon or Legends to you? If the new ship fills an untapped niche and looks good, does it matter if it comes from a comic book, novel, or old video game?

14 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Are we at the point where Empire at War ships are considered obscure?

In the sense of the OP Empire at War is a old video game, so it's obscure?

I dont't mind if would like to use another word for things stemming not from the movies and TV-shows. Maybe "exotic" or "special" or "migrant", whatever you like I will accept.

19 minutes ago, Triangular said:

In the sense of the OP Empire at War is a old video game, so it's obscure?

I dont't mind if would like to use another word for things stemming not from the movies and TV-shows. Maybe "exotic" or "special" or "migrant", whatever you like I will accept.

Yeah my question kind of came off as stupid since I listed old video games as obscure. What I meant was who here still plays EaW, whether it's vanilla or completely overhauled with mods?

Trying to gauge the Armada community's interest in more EaW ships like the Tartan Patrol Cruiser coming to tabletop.

4 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Yeah my question kind of came off as stupid since I listed old video games as obscure. What I meant was who here still plays EaW, whether it's vanilla or completely overhauled with mods?

Trying to gauge the Armada community's interest in more EaW ships like the Tartan Patrol Cruiser coming to tabletop.

Still play EaW (un-modded). It’s a little dated, but still a great game, and I would love to see the ships from it added to Armada. As the last Star Wars fleet management and combat game, I kind of assume (possibly incorrectly) that people that play Armada are familiar with EaW and the ships in it.

56 minutes ago, Triangular said:

To be honest, for a lot of stuff it is very hard to decide which category is appropriate. There are lot of characters in the movies that never say a line and just add to the background. Later some author or game designer comes up with a name and/or a story for a star wars figure. And then they declare Mister/Misses Nobody from a film scene of mere parts of a second to be "him" or "her".

Is "Howlrunner" part of the of episode V because we see a TIE Fighter chasing the Falcon? Same with General Cracken who was clearly invented by WEG for rpg source books. They declared him being the background actor in Episode VI, sitting in the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon right behind Lando Calrissian.

I decided "Howlrunner" to be EU because she doesn't even has a background actor and Cracken to be OT because he has at least a face in the movie. But the whole point of my post was to say, that we NEED "obscure" sources to enrich the Star Wars Universe we saw in films and TV-shows. Without we wouldn't have Gladiator SD, AF 2, MC30c, and a whole bunch of aces, officers and commanders.

I agree with you that we need the obscure sources, but I still think there is a big difference between obscure people/upgrades and ships/squadrons. With recognizable ships/squadrons, the table will still look and feel like SW, regardless of the cards attached to the ships. Of the ships you mentioned, only the Gladiator was new to me. My personal opinion is that EaW isn’t considered obscure, as per my post above.

3 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Still play EaW (un-modded). It’s a little dated, but still a great game, and I would love to see the ships from it added to Armada. As the last Star Wars fleet management and combat game, I kind of assume (possibly incorrectly) that people that play Armada are familiar with EaW and the ships in it.

Somewhat off topic but I think a new Empire at War game would give Armada a boost in material for new Waves, but I wouldn't want the current license holder (EA) to publish it. They would likely make an ISD a microtransaction to use.

Say what you want about the Star wars Eu, but the mobquet transport

is canon in Firefly

On 9/21/2018 at 1:57 PM, Bolshevik65 said:

To me it looked childish. I'm 53 this week, I don't watch cartoons.

Bruh, you're in a forum for a game based on a flash gordon rip off that came out when you were 13.

I think the ship of what you're into that is "childish" sailed a long time ago.

That said, Rebels "grows a beard" in season 2. Try again and give it time, or just start with season 2.

So after stumbling upon what it really should look like, I'm not against the Tie Commander as a fighter in the game. For some reason, it looks like a nice "Elite" Variation of the Tie Fighter for squad leaders or something,

2 hours ago, Geressen said:

Say what you want about the Star wars Eu, but the mobquet transport

Quote

 is canon in Firefly

And the firefly transport is in the EU

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Firefly-class_mid-bulk_transport

Barely.

There's also a Lambda shuttle in the first episode of Firefly: