Does it matter if future Armada content comes from the far corners of Canon or Legends to you? If the new ship fills an untapped niche and looks good, does it matter if it comes from a comic book, novel, or old video game?

2 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Does it matter if future Armada content comes from the far corners of Canon or Legends to you? If the new ship fills an untapped niche and looks good, does it matter if it comes from a comic book, novel, or old video game?

Well, I didn't see clone wars nor rebels and the only SW books I ever read were also episodes I and IV so I already play with ships from "obscures" sources I never saw before.

Niche I can handle. It’s when they make bizarre choices it bugs me ie: that abomination of a TIE Bomber, the ‘Punisher’ is it, over the infinity cooler Scimitar Assault bomber. Madness!

... as long as the ships look as if they're from (far and obscure corners of) STAR WARS legends and canon...

1 hour ago, JadinED said:

... as long as the ships look as if they're from (far and obscure corners of) STAR WARS legends and canon...

Yep...far and obscure...from the "star wars" universe

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jem'Hadar_fighter

Edit: Ugh, stupid work internet not showing me your first image pointing out that they stole it.

2 hours ago, ISD Avenger said:

Niche I can handle. It’s when they make bizarre choices it bugs me ie: that abomination of a TIE Bomber, the ‘Punisher’ is it, over the infinity cooler Scimitar Assault bomber. Madness!

Missed an opportunity to package Scimitar assault bombers with the Chimera, it would have been Thrawn's personal Star Destroyer and bomber design in one box.

I'd like to see all the ships from the movies used before they turn to ships from comics, games, books and cartoons.

One of the problems with X Wing was that often, to a casual passerby, it would just look like a generic space battle game, the ships used were so obscure it just didn't look like Star Wars.

Personally my interest in Star Wars ends at the movies. I've never played a Star Wars computer game or read a Star Wars book and I've seen half an episode of Rebels. I was bored. To me it looked childish. I'm 53 this week, I don't watch cartoons. That's a personal choice of course so if we do run out of ships from the movies, if we haven't already, and we have to go down the game/book/comic route, whilst it won't mean anything much to me, I hope they do choose stuff that the rest of you guys have actually heard of IE popular computer games, books that sold a lot of copies, comics that didn't disappear after 3 editions and had a circulation of more than 10 people.

6 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Missed an opportunity to package Scimitar assault bombers with the Chimera, it would have been Thrawn's personal Star Destroyer and bomber design in one box.

Except that doesn't happen anymore.

He designs Defenders instead.

22 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Except that doesn't happen anymore.

He designs Defenders instead.

Yet another reason to resent the new Canon, this would've been an excellent addition to Armada.

Just now, Piratical Moustache said:

Yet another reason to resent the new Canon, this would've been an excellent addition to Armada.

Urgh. Once again, a silly KneeJerk.

To each their own.

Just because Thrawn doesn't invent it, doesn't mean someone else doesn't and it never comes to Armada, Ever.

Plus, it gave us Defenders in Canon. Which itself, means we got Defenders in Armada... That's on balance a Good Thing.

Too be fair, didn't Imperial pack 2 come out before defenders were in Cannon again? I mean, phantoms aren't cannon yet either.

11 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Urgh. Once again, a silly KneeJerk.

Knee jerk at what? This design came out years ago. First time I ever saw it was in the Essential guide to vehicles.

I know everyone has preferences but this is a solid design.

8 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

Knee jerk at what?

"Thrawn doesn't design Scimitars, the New Canon SUCKS, its the death of them!"

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

"Thrawn doesn't design Scimitars, the New Canon SUCKS, its the death of them!"

The new Canon does suck (except for Rogue One), but for many reasons besides the lack of Scimitars

1 minute ago, Piratical Moustache said:

The new Canon does suck (except for Rogue One), but for many reasons besides the lack of Scimitars

Look, until they arbitrarily drop a Moon on Chewbacca, its ahead on one point to the EU at the very least.

To each their own, but really - the individual opinions on wether we like the New Canon or Legends as a preference is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Sure, it may flavour our preferences, but one cannot deny that one of the two is preferred by those in charge... And we're not them.

4 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Look, until they arbitrarily drop a Moon on Chewbacca, its ahead on one point to the EU at the very least.

To each their own, but really - the individual opinions on wether we like the New Canon or Legends as a preference is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Sure, it may flavour our preferences, but one cannot deny that one of the two is preferred by those in charge... And we're not them.

Why does Chewie getting hit by a giant rock invalidate the entirety of the Expanded Universe? ?

In due seriousness I knew that the EU would have to be set aside when making the new Star Wars films, but I had hoped it would have been adapted more closely. The Thrawn trilogy of novels would have been great material to adapt for example, and would have been a new story to movie fans, while pleasing fans of the EU at the same time.

It doesn't help when certain people accuse haters of the Sequel Trilogy of being racist and/or sexist, that's why there's such bitterness right now. For my part John Boyega and Oscar Isaac were underutilized, and although I dislike superwoman Rey, I don't think that the actress is to blame, it's the writers that are at fault.

The problem with adapting what is now legends, into movies, is that it would have been complained about that it wasnt done how the fans wanted it done, or they would have changed key details to avoid paying royalties or whatever, to the authors of those books. And honestly, most of the reasons I've heard for why people dont like the new movies... its that they read all the EU, and knew everything, and now they dont and they dont like that the story they read for 40 years, is different now.

And thats understandable, but having gone back to try to understand the legends stuff, its a mess. You have jedi order and sith rising, imperial remenent and galactic republic, yuuzong vong invade, everything is horrible, kids try to kill each other.

I think that the major issue with the new stuff, is you have things and people like Holdo or The Raddus, where Holdo is Leia's sentator friend... but they never mention that in TLJ, they are mentioned in new books people dont want to read because its not Legends. So in reality, you have some senator get thrust in charge of a military unit, with the options of a FO spy telling your jump postion, or hyperspace tracking, or the FO caught Rey with the beacon... you have to take all three into account, but they never say that... in the movie. If they stopped and mentioned some of those things in the movie, it would be a bit better in my opinion.

As for obscure ships and squadrons, as someone who grew up with The Prequals and KOTOR, everything from EU is obscure to me. I read Halo books and books covering The Clone Wars, because I didnt want to read (at the time) 30 years of story where I have to hunt down books at the library or book store... I was a kid, I only had so much allowance! And Clone Troopers and Mandalorians were cool and different from the Jedi and Sith.

But thats me, sorry for the long post. TLDR: EU Legends stuff is obscure to me, I dont care, I just want more stuff than ISDs... ISDs have become boring.

2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Why does Chewie getting hit by a giant rock invalidate the entirety of the Expanded Universe? 

Why does 2 bad movies invalidate the entire new canon?

Rogue One, Solo, Rebels, the new comics, many of the new books (I’m told, I haven’t actually read the novels), have all been really good, significantly better than the majority of the EU.

The new comics in particular have been outstanding. The best (and most Star Wars-y) Star Wars since Empire, by far.

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

Why does 2 bad movies invalidate the entire new canon?

Rogue One, Solo, Rebels, the new comics, many of the new books (I’m told, I haven’t actually read the novels), have all been really good, significantly better than the majority of the EU.

The new comics in particular have been outstanding. The best (and most Star Wars-y) Star Wars since Empire, by far.

I wanted the New Republic, and the Force Awakens obliterated the capital, and is said in an offhand statement in the Last Jedi to have capitulated to the First Order without resistance.

What I got is another Rebel Alliance, which really doesn't make sense because Disney is still making movies set in the Galactic Civil War era. The sequel trilogy trilogy shouldn't have invalidated the original struggle against the Empire but it did. Also Luke Skywalker is not a quitter, no matter how bad the circumstances are.

14 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I wanted the New Republic, and the Force Awakens obliterated the capital, and is said in an offhand statement in the Last Jedi to have capitulated to the First Order without resistance.

What I got is another Rebel Alliance, which really doesn't make sense because Disney is still making movies set in the Galactic Civil War era. The sequel trilogy trilogy shouldn't have invalidated the original struggle against the Empire but it did. Also Luke Skywalker is not a quitter, no matter how bad the circumstances are.

You see, the issue here is you know what you want, and you know what you believe... Which is all well and good... But that doesn't make it the truth.

I wouldnt mind seeing M-Wings, but would rather see it in X-Wing then armada, because detail and stuff.

But it did looks kinda unique, and still feels like something the company would have made.

57 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I wanted the New Republic, and the Force Awakens obliterated the capital, and is said in an offhand statement in the Last Jedi to have capitulated to the First Order without resistance.

What I got is another Rebel Alliance, which really doesn't make sense because Disney is still making movies set in the Galactic Civil War era. The sequel trilogy trilogy shouldn't have invalidated the original struggle against the Empire but it did. Also Luke Skywalker is not a quitter, no matter how bad the circumstances are.

And that is why the 2 movies that I said are bad, are bad. It completely avoids the actual question though. You are judging everything Disney has made based on the 2 sequel movies, and then you criticized drasnighta for judging the whole EU based on one book (never mind that drasnighta wasn’t doing that).

Hate the sequels if you want, they aren’t very good, but don’t dismiss all the other new canon Disney has created (rebels, solo, comics, etc...) that rocks because of the sequels. Just like one shouldn’t judge The Clone Wars based on the prequels.

1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:

And that is why the 2 movies that I said are bad, are bad. It completely avoids the actual question though. You are judging everything Disney has made based on the 2 sequel movies, and then you criticized drasnighta for judging the whole EU based on one book (never mind that drasnighta wasn’t doing that).

Hate the sequels if you want, they aren’t very good, but don’t dismiss all the other new canon Disney has created (rebels, solo, comics, etc...) that rocks because of the sequels. Just like one shouldn’t judge The Clone Wars based on the prequels.

I still say the original EU was more detailed and way better storylines

Just now, Zeoinx said:

I still say the orgininal EU was more detailed and way better storylines

More detailed is simply a function of time. Give the Disney era 20 years of development and it will be just as detailed.

As for storylines, both are highly variable in quality. New canon has the sequels, but EU had the sun crusher, the vong, the dark saber, clone emperor, etc... etc.... etc...

EU had the Thrawn trilogy, the rogue squadron books, but new canon has rebels, last season of clone wars, the outstanding comics

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

You see, the issue here is you know what you want, and you know what you believe... Which is all well and good... But that doesn't make it the truth.

"You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

To be clear I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone who does like the Sequels, but I do think that the Rebel's struggle to replace the Empire with a democratic government that is casually swept aside after 30 years by Space North Korea carries the subliminal message that autocracy is better than democracy in space.

All of this off topic from my original intention for this thread but then again I did kind of start it... apologies if I offended anybody, it would be unintentional.