Have you seen builds starting to stand out above the rest? I haven't had a chance to even play yet. Hopefully I'll get a game or two in the next few day's. A kid at our store is bragging about being able to move over asteroids and loose stress.
Cream of the crop.
Dash, meet TIE Swarm and Jonus Bombers.
I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
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•Lieutenant Sai - Death Squadron Veteran (47)
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Any ship that gets a free evade + Juke. Juke is priced for ships to lose an action for the evade token, but some don’t have to and it’s bonkers good. I think it’s as mandatory as ptl was on a Fel for Whisper/Echo/defenders.
6 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:Any ship that gets a free evade + Juke. Juke is priced for ships to lose an action for the evade token, but some don’t have to and it’s bonkers good. I think it’s as mandatory as ptl was on a Fel for Whisper/Echo/defenders.
The ability to have 4 Sigma Squadron Aces with Juke is nasty. Yes, they don't have 4 attack dice anymore, but they're a credible imperial equivalent to the X-wing as a medium-weight fighter; 5 hits, agility 2, and the ability to reposition really fast. The fact that their ability to bounce in and out of cloak is dependent on not getting shot at, rather than getting shots themselves, feels more appropriate.
Dash is a pain in the neck, but:
- He is proportionately more expensive
- You now get + defence dice at range 3
- He shouldn't need to be gaining stress in the first place because ships with a turret shouldn't have to pull red moves, so the ability to lose it doesn't really matter
- He now doesn't have the ability to boost, or to gain access to boost.
2 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:The ability to have 4 Sigma Squadron Aces with Juke is nasty. Yes, they don't have 4 attack dice anymore, but they're a credible imperial equivalent to the X-wing as a medium-weight fighter; 5 hits, agility 2, and the ability to reposition really fast. The fact that their ability to bounce in and out of cloak is dependent on not getting shot at, rather than getting shots themselves, feels more appropriate.
Dash is a pain in the neck, but:
- He is proportionately more expensive
- You now get + defence dice at range 3
- He shouldn't need to be gaining stress in the first place because ships with a turret shouldn't have to pull red moves, so the ability to lose it doesn't really matter
- He now doesn't have the ability to boost, or to gain access to boost.
On the contrary; Outrider lets him remove the stress FROM the red move before taking his action, which makes him a lot more flexible with his dial than he used to be. Now he CAN k turn if he needs to.
I agree. My comment isn't that he can't but that he shouldn't have to; since he can't pick up stress from flying through debris and is much less constrained in how he needs to fly to line up shots, whilst he can do a "pseudo-white" k-turn it's not as valuable to him as it is to something like the TIE Defender.
Probably far more important against the right opponent is the Outrider title's ability to burn off target locks....
Edited by Magnus Grendel
I think it's still too early to tell what will be at the top of the meta. Jonus Bombers looks good, as do TIE Swarms and 4 Sigmas but, especially in the case of the swarm and Bombers, there's counterplay through things like Trajectory Simulator bombs to break them up, which may be a good enough counter to keep them in line if they become too popular. I suspect there are probably some very, very good builds that simply haven't been discovered yet.
7 hours ago, JJ48 said:I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
13 minutes ago, Jike said:...there's counterplay through things like Trajectory Simulator bombs to break them up, which may be a good enough counter to keep them in line if they become too popular.
Fear will keep the local metas in line. Fear of this upgrade.
9 hours ago, JJ48 said:I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
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Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
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Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Lieutenant Sai - 53
•Lieutenant Sai - Death Squadron Veteran (47)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Total: 200/200
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#cowmeta!
9 hours ago, JJ48 said:I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Lieutenant Sai - 53
•Lieutenant Sai - Death Squadron Veteran (47)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Total: 200/200
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Why would it have freelance slicers on ships without target lock action?
Dash doesnt have the ability to traverse half the map with Barrel roll + Boost anymore, that is a tremendous change. I hated that guy's guts.
3 minutes ago, PT106 said:Why would it have freelance slicers on ships without target lock action?
Is there a target lock requirement? That's a little disappointing.
Ok, then, remove the Freelances from the generics, give Sai the ST-321 title, and have an extra 3 points somewhere.
You can't be talking about the "CREAM OF THE CROP" without THE MACHO MAN, RANDY SAVAGE.
Edited by RStan10 hours ago, JJ48 said:I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
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Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
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Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Lieutenant Sai - 53
•Lieutenant Sai - Death Squadron Veteran (47)
Freelance Slicer (3)
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No, it's too expensive. That costs 4 shuttle expansions and two conversion kits to run.
21 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:
No, it's too expensive. That costs 4 shuttle expansions and two conversion kits to run.
Nothing is too expensive for the competitive gamer looking for the S tier!
I think at this point, it's way too early to determine any sort of meta yet. Bombers are quite good and seem to be raising salt at the LGS level, but I think most of the answers you'll get in this thread will be people's decently competent home-brews that were able to win something at locals.
3 hours ago, RStan said:
You can't be talking about the "CREAM OF THE CROP" without THE MACHO MAN, RANDY SAVAGE.
The CREEEEM riiises to the top! OOOOhh Yeah!
5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:On the contrary; Outrider lets him remove the stress FROM the red move before taking his action, which makes him a lot more flexible with his dial than he used to be. Now he CAN k turn if he needs to.
Dash ignores obstacles while moving... so he does not remove the stress with outrider currently as he ignored the obstacle that he crossed through.
Not lists so much as ships:
Empire Cotc:
Barrage Bombers
Juke Phantoms
probably Deathrain
Scum Cotc:
Moldy Crow
Boba
I really like Kimoglia...
Rebel Cotc:
Moldy Crow
...X-wing?
Edited by ficklegreendice14 hours ago, JJ48 said:I'm almost positive this'll be the new meta:
Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Omicron Group Pilot - 49
Omicron Group Pilot - (43)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle - Lieutenant Sai - 53
•Lieutenant Sai - Death Squadron Veteran (47)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ISB Slicer (3)Total: 200/200
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Go space-cows , go! 
A more mobile variant is 3x
Arc170, R3, Freelancer Slicer, Static Discharge Vanes.
Go Dragonflies, go!
1 hour ago, Icelom said:Dash ignores obstacles while moving... so he does not remove the stress with outrider currently as he ignored the obstacle that he crossed through.
Now RAW this is true, but I feel like RAI this shouldn't be true. You have any opinion on this? I don't dispute the ruling, but I think the devs want Dash to work with his own ship.
27 minutes ago, Npmartian said:Now RAW this is true, but I feel like RAI this shouldn't be true. You have any opinion on this? I don't dispute the ruling, but I think the devs want Dash to work with his own ship.
He works with the first part of outrider, just not the second.
31 minutes ago, Icelom said:He works with the first part of outrider, just not the second.
But is he intended to? That's the question.