Hi everyone

as title of post says. What is this “Dark Side” upgrades that Mauls crew card refers to

Oh...And I expected jedi philosophy thread ?

Open design space. They are just future proofing things because they presumably have plans that involve specializations of force powers. For the time being, it has no effect.

We assume.

8 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Open design space. They are just future proofing things because they presumably have plans that involve specializations of force powers. For the time being, it has no effect.

We assume.

We assume correctly.

Per Alex at Euros, Dark (and Light) side Force upgrades are options for the future; the likely shape of them would be that they would be faction locked, so Dark Side would go on Scum Empire and FO, and Light Side on Rebel and Resistance.

Maul would allow Rebel pilots whose ship he is crewing who have the Force Slot to equip Dark Side upgrades in addition to nonspecific ones and Light Side ones.

Note that he *doesn't* give a new slot, so he doesn't allow a ship that doesn't have the Force slot to equip those upgrades.

I’m assuming the Republic will have a fair few Jedi.

As for Resistance should only be Rey & Luke.

3 minutes ago, Khsofsso said:

I’m assuming the Republic will have a fair few Jedi.

As for Resistance should only be Rey & Luke.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Leia get some force too. But she wouldn't be piloting anything. And honestly, Luke shouldn't feature in Resistance X Wing at all, thus far he's literally never actually been in space during the TFA era.

22 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Leia get some force too. But she wouldn't be piloting anything. And honestly, Luke shouldn't feature in Resistance X Wing at all, thus far he's literally never actually been in space during the TFA era.

Maybe your memory blocked out the embarrassing "Mary Poppins" scene in The Last Jedi when Leia gets sucked out into space and comes back to life.

42 minutes ago, cleardave said:

Maybe your memory blocked out the embarrassing "Mary Poppins" scene in The Last Jedi when Leia gets sucked out into space and comes back to life.

Are you thinking that she could pilot herself?

Looking forward to the Leia expac. Comes with a diddy Leia model and a new 'tiny' base.

No attack dice but can spend 1 force to cause First Order ships at range 1/2 to have second thoughts about firing missiles.

Probably we will see the first dark side cards in the First Order kit, gotta give people a reason to buy that too.

1 hour ago, Cuz05 said:

Are you thinking that she could pilot herself?

Looking forward to the Leia expac. Comes with a diddy Leia model and a new 'tiny' base.

No attack dice but can spend 1 force to cause First Order ships at range 1/2 to have second thoughts about firing missiles.

My crew design for Resistance Leia is a 1 Force crew that when her ship is destroyed can equip herself to another friendly ship range 0-3.

Other shop probably needs crew slots but it’s funnier if they don’t. Card might need a charge mechanic so she can only do it once.

13 minutes ago, DodgingArcs said:

Other shop probably needs crew slots but it’s funnier if they don’t.

This is why there's a need for the little model and base, that way you can just budge her up against the 2nd ship, like she's hanging off an S-Foil.

Really, no one? Ok.

It's a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.

3 hours ago, cleardave said:

Maybe your memory blocked out the embarrassing "Mary Poppins" scene in The Last Jedi when Leia gets sucked out into space and comes back to life.

You know... the more I think about it the less this criticism makes sense to me.

How exactly is being compared to Mary Poppins, an enduring classic that consistently provokes a childlike sense of wonder and awe, a bad thing?

“But it’s ridiculous”

”Sure, but so is Kermit the frog lifting a spaceship out of a swamp with his mind, so what gives?”

4 hours ago, Jiron said:

Oh...And I expected jedi philosophy thread ?

What does it truly mean to be dark? Can some actions be justified for the Greater Good™?

4 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

What does it truly mean to be dark? Can some actions be justified for the Greater Good™?

As one noble master said, it Is not just good or evil, jedi and the sith. There Is no greater good because there Is no good or evil at all...

5 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

You know... the more I think about it the less this criticism makes sense to me.

How exactly is being compared to Mary Poppins, an enduring classic that consistently provokes a childlike sense of wonder and awe, a bad thing?

“But it’s ridiculous”

”Sure, but so is Kermit the frog lifting a spaceship out of a swamp with his mind, so what gives?”

Some things even in a fantastical magical universe need to work as they do in our real world. This grounds the fantastical world and helps us be drawn into it. While there is the fantastic that we may have trouble with or be awed by there is also stuff we understand.

Being explosively decompressed into cold airless space is lethal. Airlocks for transitioning between atmosphere inside the ship and cold airless space are required.

The issue is not that she pulled herself to the ship with The Force. The issue is that she was alive to do so and was brought back into the ship without benefit of an airlock. Folks grab the Mary Poppins evoking shots as a matter of brevity for how the scene takes them "out" of the film.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Leia get some force too. But she wouldn't be piloting anything. And honestly, Luke shouldn't feature in Resistance X Wing at all, thus far he's literally never actually been in space during the TFA era.

Luke will be a pilot in the “Crashed X-Wing” expansion.

6 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Some things even in a fantastical magical universe need to work as they do in our real world. This grounds the fantastical world and helps us be drawn into it. While there is the fantastic that we may have trouble with or be awed by there is also stuff we understand.

Being explosively decompressed into cold airless space is lethal. Airlocks for transitioning between atmosphere inside the ship and cold airless space are required.

The issue is not that she pulled herself to the ship with The Force. The issue is that she was alive to do so and was brought back into the ship without benefit of an airlock. Folks grab the Mary Poppins evoking shots as a matter of brevity for how the scene takes them "out" of the film.

So here's my head cannon explanation -- When Leia sensed the missiles inbound (clearly shown before they hit), she used the Force to wrap a bubble of air around her, cushioning the explosion and decompression. She was stunned, but not substantially injured by the blast because of it.

She regained orientation and Force Pulled to the ship -- too big to move the ship, so her body moved instead -- and she was able to get back to ship.

Equally not impossible to believe that if there WASN'T an airlock on the bridge, that there is a deflector screen on the bridge of a warship similar to that used in a fighter launch bay that can at least keep out a hard vacuum from the rest of the ship, to allow damage control crews access to the bridge while in space. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't there. Sure, it requires some significant "handwavium" to be used, but ultimately, I'm fine with that.

16 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Some things even in a fantastical magical universe need to work as they do in our real world. This grounds the fantastical world and helps us be drawn into it. While there is the fantastic that we may have trouble with or be awed by there is also stuff we understand.

Being explosively decompressed into cold airless space is lethal. Airlocks for transitioning between atmosphere inside the ship and cold airless space are required.

The issue is not that she pulled herself to the ship with The Force. The issue is that she was alive to do so and was brought back into the ship without benefit of an airlock. Folks grab the Mary Poppins evoking shots as a matter of brevity for how the scene takes them "out" of the film.

Yeah, I meant that would be like if some powerful force user was cut up and thrown into lava and then used the force to keep themselves alive... just silly right?

12 minutes ago, John_McCullough said:

Sure, it requires some significant "handwavium" to be used, but ultimately, I'm fine with that.

Everyone has a different level of "handwavium" tolerance. They significantly exceeded mine.

more than likely either just before or during the release of Clone Wars factions we'll get light/dark force powers. Gotta remember, Republic is going to have a ton of force pilots. Thats the era where there were several several SEVERAL jedis running around, crew or pilot or both.

And following usual FFG tropes with such things, Light will probably be heal/regen/disorientation and dark will be flat damage.

because in other games where theres force powers, whether theyre called that or very obviously supposed to be it or not, dark powers are always damage related and light powers are always about being elusive or healing.

7 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Everyone has a different level of "handwavium" tolerance. They significantly exceeded mine.

I had similar problems with the insane jedi acrobatics and the lava surfing of the prequel films. Sure, the fight scene in ANH is mostly laughable now, but I'm glad TFA and TLJ is closer to ESB and RTJ than the prequels in this regard.

@Frimmel thanks for the respectful reply! My handwaviness tolerance is admittedly very high. @John_McCullough‘s explanation is exactly my way of reconciling it (the scene where the debris ripples around her hand was an awesome touch, and kind of keyed me in on that).

I'm curious what other force powers will come. The fast reflexes and precognition are covered.

Lightning seems unlikely. Repair skill for anakin and rey? Some mary-sue power for rey? More reflexes and precognition to bend other rules.

A "this is not the target lock you're looking for"?

1 minute ago, WAC47 said:

@Frimmel thanks for the respectful reply! My handwaviness tolerance is admittedly very high. @John_McCullough‘s explanation is exactly my way of reconciling it (the scene where the debris ripples around her hand was an awesome touch, and kind of keyed me in on that).

I tend to call them it's-a-movie cards. Film-makers can play a few of them here and there and they can earn them during the film. TLJ burned all of them and any chance to earn more well before the explosive decompression of The Princess. That this ended up with The Princess off the board as it were and became used as motivation for the Poe/Sleepy dinosaur-lady conflict and irrelevant side-quest they actually managed to go back and retroactively use up any it's-a-movie cards they might have been able to earn.

It wasn't simply exceeding my tolerance of handwavium in that scene but they also incurred a debt of handwavium or it's-a-movie cards they didn't ever pay back.