1 minute ago, Xeletor said:

I'm curious what other force powers will come. The fast reflexes and precognition are covered.

Lightning seems unlikely. Repair skill for anakin and rey? Some mary-sue power for rey? More reflexes and precognition to bend other rules.

A "this is not the target lock you're looking for"?

There is a lot to do there. Especially with regards to creating Anakin pilots and different versions of characters like Ventress or Vader. As mentioned with Clone Wars factions coming they get room to mess with new versions of Palpatine and ways to make Jedi pilots different from Clone pilots. It is a very interesting idea all the way around.

thats one thing im curious on.

Would the Republic get a crew for Senator Palpatine? On one hand it makes no sense considering he never "officially" left Coruscant but then again emppalp also wouldnt be seen in a small vessel during a fight either.

And if they did get him, would he have force? At this point they do not know he is force capable.

4 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

thats one thing im curious on.

Would the Republic get a crew for Senator Palpatine? On one hand it makes no sense considering he never "officially" left Coruscant but then again emppalp also wouldnt be seen in a small vessel during a fight either.

And if they did get him, would he have force? At this point they do not know he is force capable.

I think using Senator Palpatine in Clone Wars factions is a bit problematic but with this idea of "Dark Side" and "Light Side" powers they have a method for giving a faction some abilities or effects by granting access to "Dark Side" or "Light Side" cards. They can carve out niche sort of Scum lists with this as well by having them access light and dark force users.

They can easily limit which factions get certain force powers with the "Light" and "Dark" without needing a new category of upgrade. If you read " Dark Disciple " you could have things with Ventress or Vos perhaps using both creating new things to do with Lancers.

It could provide ground for narrative formats.

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

thats one thing im curious on.

Would the Republic get a crew for Senator Palpatine? On one hand it makes no sense considering he never "officially" left Coruscant but then again emppalp also wouldnt be seen in a small vessel during a fight either.

And if they did get him, would he have force? At this point they do not know he is force capable.

Intriguing.

I instantly think of his 'kidnap' by Grievous, particularly the Lego depiction...

I could see him being basically the same but affecting your opponents dice instead. 'Oh no Anakin, they're shooting at me. I'm in terrible danger! Help me!'

Blank, blank, blank....

'Hmm, they seem to be having trouble with their green dice too. Kill them. Kill them now'.

I usually prefer when they have spent some time trying to cover the handwavium with at least an attempt at some real higher science references.

Not stuff like midi-chlorians that seem a lot like Scientology's Thetans or even the basic concept of a soul. Yet are still supposed to count as science because "oh they are in your cells, and that's a thing in biology."

That doesn't mean that I automatically hate quasi-religious space magic when I see it though. I would have stopped watching the first movie if that was the case. I am ready to accept that Jedi tend to specialize in telekinetic like powers that they can reasonably use to nudge or "boost" physical actions like jumping. Telekinetics also often use shields, bubbles, or force fields (lol).

Some magic users/superheroes/whatever are more naturally skilled or extra special because they have talents or innate skills they "shouldn't" have, even in a world where magic is accepted as reality.

Leia auto-bubbles when reduced to 1 HP, fine. Luke is so powerful he can project a very good illusion across space, even if the effort consumes him. N one of this is a groundbreaking amount of handwavium to me after we have already accepted the base premise of space magic.

Putting a favorite important character into a fridge while other characters are the focus isn't exceptional either. It's incredibly common in every form of fiction. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. It's more a basic building block of drama than an automatic mistake.

Do you think Poe would have been as forgivable for the audience if he had defied Leia or even Ackbar (a real tragedy of TLJ) in the way that he did with Holdo? Canto Bight is my least favorite part too, but assuming it needed to be set up somehow I thought they did it well.

I enjoyed the conflict between Poe and Holdo, with neither side being completely right or blameless. The Resistance themselves were torn and it felt authentic in a way that I am not sure it could have with Poe defying a more established commander. Now that we pretty much know for sure that they won't kill Leia off screen, I feel just fine with her entire role in TLJ. Glad they got the tearful reunion with Luke in.

2 hours ago, Frimmel said:

Being explosively decompressed into cold airless space is lethal. Airlocks for transitioning between atmosphere inside the ship and cold airless space are required.

Over the years I have been increasingly coming to the opinion that space in Star Wars is NOT empty. That there is some kind of atmosphere like material out there, ether, phlogiston, something. It would explain an awful lot about the universe.

Light side powers could be damage reduction, debuffs (opponent rolls less dice), changing opponent paint results to blanks, more defense than offense.

Dark side most likely will be offense. Something like change an opponent's evade to a blank to change one of your red blanks to a hit, damage through shields, canceling light side force powers, flipping shields from nlue to red from surrounding ships to flip your own from red to blue, and of course force lightning that works like an ion attack.

6 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Light side powers could be damage reduction, debuffs (opponent rolls less dice), changing opponent paint results to blanks, more defense than offense.

Dark side most likely will be offense. Something like change an opponent's evade to a blank to change one of your red blanks to a hit, damage through shields, canceling light side force powers, flipping shields from nlue to red from surrounding ships to flip your own from red to blue, and of course force lightning that works like an ion attack.

I strongly doubt that they’ll try to strap a sith to the outside of a ship in order to force-lightning another ship, personally?

And moreso than just aggressive effects, I’m sure dark side powers will have negative effects as a cost, too. Damaging you or friendly ships, stressing you out, etc.

A dark side power that stresses you out could be perfect for Ezra, actually, though you’d have to put Maul on him and I feel like Maul’s ability is inhibited by stress (idk what it is in 2.0 tbh).

I just snort laughed picturing Palp strapped to the hull of a ship with a fish bowl helmet...

I know it's a touchy subject, but if you played Battlefront 2, Yoda has his Jedi Starfighter and his ability is to cause an EMP light attack. That's the effect I was thinking of for force lighting.

3 hours ago, Frimmel said:

Being explosively decompressed into cold airless space is lethal.

It's not instantly lethal, though.

Also, space isn't cold. You don't flash freeze the second you're exposed to it. Space is a vacuum. The most efficient means of heat transfer - conduction and convection - don't work there. The biggest problem we have with most things we send into space is not keeping them warm, it's keeping them cool because radiation is a relatively inefficient means of heat transfer.

It's perfectly plausible for Leia to have survived as long as she did (i.e not long at all) in space, especially if the Force is also working to even partially heal any tissue damage as it occurs. Something we know the Force can do.

1 hour ago, RebelProfundity said:

Do you think Poe would have been as forgivable for the audience if he had defied Leia or even Ackbar (a real tragedy of TLJ) in the way that he did with Holdo?

Yes.

Probably because he does defy Leia. At the start of the movie. And he's right to do so. Leia is being a ****ing idiot.

And even if Leia hadn't been an idiot and had realised the necessity of killing that dreadnought, they're still only alive because of the massive incompetence of the First Order anyway.

Why does the dreadnought waste an inordinate amount of time aiming and shooting at an abandoned base, when the fleet with all the people actually on it is right there and trying to escape?

35 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

I strongly doubt that they’ll try to strap a sith to the outside of a ship in order to force-lightning another ship, personally?

So, you mean, there is Not a Darksider in that bubble?

The dark side...

I love TLJ. Not the movie, just the effects it created. God (the Mouse, that is) I hope they bring back Mace to explain it properly in the final movie...

Anyway. For those furious with Mary Poppins leaving/coming back with the change of the wind, know that "force bubbles" have a precendence. Likewise flight is atmospheric, not fly by wire. It's different reality unconstrained by our expectations. Otherwise how do you breathe inside an open mouthed giant worm, that preys on passing spaceships from its asteroid lair. Get real please about your expectations.

That's the dark side. Use your anger, hate and fear. Channel them. Use them. But don't lose control...

Anyway, back to the game...

On 9/20/2018 at 8:33 AM, WAC47 said:

You know... the more I think about it the less this criticism makes sense to me.

How exactly is being compared to Mary Poppins, an enduring classic that consistently provokes a childlike sense of wonder and awe, a bad thing?

“But it’s ridiculous”

”Sure, but so is Kermit the frog lifting a spaceship out of a swamp with his mind, so what gives?”

How about something simpler;

It's fake suspense. You're sitting in the theatre knowing full well that Carrie Fisher is dead in real life and you're thinking "is this how they write her out?" It's like Paul Walker in whichever Fast and Furious movie was his last.

Also, it's ultimately pointless to the story. You could have achieved the same narrative goal; Leia is wounded in the battle and incapacitated, thereby requiring a less likeable character to take charge and cause tension in the ranks, by just having the command bridge get hit by the TIE's and have her maimed in the wreckage without being sucked out into space and going through all that.

So, some quick editing of the final movie and you've got the story carrying on exactly the same but without taking people out of the movie with that whole bit. I think that's kind of the idea of trimming the fat in the editing process, no?

Now, if her surviving the cold vacuum of space paid off later in the movie somehow, then sure, throw it in there, but it doesn't, so we're back to cutting it out.

Of course it paid out. Her need pushed her into a deep self protective force state. She metamorphed, so to speak.

That built the bridge for Luke to cross.

Which plunged the galaxy into episode 9.

The Skywalker saga finishes soon. I was down about it before, but it's looking great now!