53 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Ships they wanted to make better were made better

Ships they wanted to tone down has been completely knocked on their ka-base.

Ships that have been forgotten about are pretty much meh.

I think we can all say the HWK-290 is in the 1st category.

considering where it's coming from, that's not saying much ?

But yes, the Moldy Crow is imo the second most improved ship by a WIDE margin. I love how it's an actual threat in 2nd edition, as opposed to utter tank until it became yet another TLT platform

I love how still intensive it is (low initiative, 3 die front arc but no sloops/trolls/ks, piddly 2-die aux arc), I love how flexible it is, and I love that it (likely everything in second edition) suffers horrible, merciless death when misplayed and summarily focused down by the opponent.

It's still kinda funny, however, that Moldy Crow is basically priced the same as a force-sensitive pilot. Though, given the amount of focus they generate, I guess it's an apt comparison


edit: incidentally, the other most improved ships are the X-wing (Saw's was designed concurrently with second edition, so I mean pre-Saw's X-wing), the TIE Bomber (****** white 2-turn is like an answered prayer), the Phantom (Stygium array), and the Punisher

the ranking goes:

1. Punisher
2. HWK
3. X-wing
4. Bomber
5. Phantom

I hate the Moldy Crow, and I especially hate Palob - I fly imperial and like my tokens.

Stop telling everyone or it'll get nerfed

It would be really stupid if it got nerfed

It's a 5 health, 2 agility ship that pushes towards 60 points. If it dominates your game, it is either because you're good at flying it or it's entirely your opponent's fault

12 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

considering where it's coming from, that's not saying much ?

But yes, the Moldy Crow is imo the second most improved ship by a WIDE margin. I love how it's an actual threat in 2nd edition, as opposed to utter tank until it became yet another TLT platform

I love how still intensive it is (low initiative, 3 die front arc but no sloops/trolls/ks, piddly 2-die aux arc), I love how flexible it is, and I love that it (likely everything in second edition) suffers horrible, merciless death when misplayed and summarily focused down by the opponent.

It's still kinda funny, however, that Moldy Crow is basically priced the same as a force-sensitive pilot. Though, given the amount of focus they generate, I guess it's an apt comparison


edit: incidentally, the other most improved ships are the X-wing (Saw's was designed concurrently with second edition, so I mean pre-Saw's X-wing), the TIE Bomber (****** white 2-turn is like an answered prayer), the Phantom (Stygium array), and the Punisher

the ranking goes:

1. Punisher
2. HWK
3. X-wing
4. Bomber
5. Phantom

You need to add the Y-Wing to that list. It gained reload, objectively better pilots, a 2 point cheaper base point cost, blue (green) 1 slights, better munitions to carry, talent slots, a gunner slot, and a built in barrel roll action. The only thing they lost was broken turrets and a shield became a health. I would even argue that they have been improved in more ways than the X-Wing.

11 minutes ago, ThinkingB said:

You need to add the Y-Wing to that list. It gained reload, objectively better pilots, a 2 point cheaper base point cost, blue (green) 1 slights, better munitions to carry, talent slots, a gunner slot, and a built in barrel roll action. The only thing they lost was broken turrets and a shield became a health. I would even argue that they have been improved in more ways than the X-Wing.

I agree with much of what you've said, but losing TLT has been objectively bad for the y-wing. That they can fit their intended role as an ordinance carrier is cool, but I don't feel they've been improved a lot overall.

yeah, the Y-wing going from useful to useful represents a lesser improvement compared to the X's worthless --> really dang solid

8 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

yeah, the Y-wing going from useful to useful represents a lesser improvement compared to the X's worthless --> really dang solid

The ship went from only being mildly competitive in two specific builds that both revolve around the same design failure (TLT) to being competitive as a bomber, jouster, and turret carrier that can be flown as a generic or named pilot with similar comparable levels of effectiveness. You can load up an ace with munitions or fly it as solely an ion turret carrier and they are both quite effective. With your same logic, one could say that X-Wings went from useful to useful because Biggs saw play all the way up to his final nerf.