Lieutenant Sai ability question

By TV0R, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Sai's ability states:

" After you perform a [coordinate] action, if the ship you chose performed an action on your action bar, you may perform that action . "

Let's say I use Sai to coordinate a TIE reaper. TIE reaper performs jam action, which is white on his action bar.

Now I want to perform the same action with Sai, but jam is red on his action bar. I am unsure whether "that action" refers to the action on the other's ship action bar or Sai's own. Will Sai perform red or white jam in this case?

Red.

I view Sai as meaning that Sai performs the action on their own bar. For example, if there were some Imperial ship with a red Reinforce, if Sai coordinated a Reinforce to them, Sai could still perform their own white reinforce.

Devil's Advocate question... is one ship's red action the same as another ship's white action?

There are many examples of "you may perform X action" as if it were just a free action. Red is logical but I am not sure the rules actually give use enough information to know. Is Sai performing that action off the bar or does it just check if the action is there and then it is a free action of that type?

6 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

Devil's Advocate question... is one ship's red action the same as another ship's white action?

When actions are spoken about in the abstract, they are considered white.

However, we're not talking about actions in the abstract, because we're talking about ship's action bars, which do have colours.

The rules definitely distinguish between red and white actions on an action bar, because some cards (Engine Upgrade, Tactical Officer, Expert Handling) have an explicit prerequisite of the red version whilst others (Ciena Ree, Grand Moff Tarkin) demand the white version.

I would probably argue that if a ship performed an action which is a different colour to the one on Lieutenant Sai's action bar, therefore, they did not perform "...a n action on your action bar" and hence Lieutenant Sai's ability doesn't trigger.

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figured out the answer to my question
1 minute ago, urloony said:

Can Sai only coordinate with ships lower than Sai's initiative? For example is it true that Sai (init. 3) can't coordinate with Decimator RAC (init. 5) because Sai's action would need to come first?

You can coordinate anyone at range 0-2. Initiative doesn't come into play.

For your example: Sai activates, executes a maneuver, and uses her action to Coordinate RAC; RAC performs an action (let's say, Focus); Sai's pilot ability allows her to perform the same action, so she also focuses. Sai's activation is now over. RAC activates, executes a maneuver, and performs an action (Lock this time, since he's already focused).

The only reason Sai wouldn't be able to coordinate an action to RAC is if he is stressed.

1 hour ago, nexttwelveexits said:

You can coordinate anyone at range 0-2. Initiative doesn't come into play.

For your example: Sai activates, executes a maneuver, and uses her action to Coordinate RAC; RAC performs an action (let's say, Focus); Sai's pilot ability allows her to perform the same action, so she also focuses. Sai's activation is now over. RAC activates, executes a maneuver, and performs an action (Lock this time, since he's already focused).

The only reason Sai wouldn't be able to coordinate an action to RAC is if he is stressed.

Perfect. That confirms what I thought after posting.

On 9/18/2018 at 4:31 AM, Magnus Grendel said:

I would probably argue that if a ship performed an action which is a different colour to the one on Lieutenant Sai's action bar, therefore, they did not perform "...a n action on your action bar" and hence Lieutenant Sai's ability doesn't trigger.

I think this response in the Official Rulings thread means Sai’s ability does trigger:

20 hours ago, KiAdiMoody said:

I think this response in the Official Rulings thread means Sai’s ability does trigger:

I'm not certain; that ruling is about "perform an action from your action bar", which (correctly) states that when a ship performs an action 'from its action bar' it always uses the colour listed there. Yes, Sai will always use the difficult of the action on his action bar for a free action from his ability. That doesn't mean he can necessarily ignore a difficulty difference between his action bar and someone else's.

You're not being asked "do this action from your action bar" and trying to figure out what colour it is, you're being shown an action (e.g. White Jam, if you co-ordinated a reaper) that the other ship chose to perform and asked "do you have that on your action bar?" and told you can perform it if you do.

You have jam but don't have a white jam. Since the colour of an action on your bar being "wrong" is enough to cut you out of the prerequisites for upgrades (Engine Upgrade, Ciena Ree), I would suspect it would also apply here.

On 10/29/2018 at 4:02 AM, Magnus Grendel said:

I'm not certain; that ruling is about "perform an action from your action bar", which (correctly) states that when a ship performs an action 'from its action bar' it always uses the colour listed there. Yes, Sai will always use the difficult of the action on his action bar for a free action from his ability. That doesn't mean he can necessarily ignore a difficulty difference between his action bar and someone else's.

You're not being asked "do this action from your action bar" and trying to figure out what colour it is, you're being shown an action (e.g. White Jam, if you co-ordinated a reaper) that the other ship chose to perform and asked "do you have that on your action bar?" and told you can perform it if you do.

You have jam but don't have a white jam. Since the colour of an action on your bar being "wrong" is enough to cut you out of the prerequisites for upgrades (Engine Upgrade, Ciena Ree), I would suspect it would also apply here.

This (including Squad Leader) is certainly a conundrum.

On the one hand, there are a few upgrades which spell out specific difficulties for actions in their requirements.

On the other, there has to be a similarity between actions of a different difficulty, since a ship can't perform the same action twice in different difficulties.

My sense is that the color of an action doesn't matter, unless specifically referenced. Tactical Officer, Engine Upgrade, Expert Handling all require specific colors. When building on the App, Ciena Ree can be placed on a Reaper (red coordinate), and Saturation Salvo on a Y-Wing (red reload); to me this looks like the color doesn't matter unless specifically mentioned (neither have the words 'red' or 'white' in their text) . Daredevil specifically calls out a white boost, for example, so only works on white boosts, but Perceptive Copilot doesn't have anything to say about white or red focus actions, so works on either.

Personally, since Sai and Squad Leader don't specifically mention the difficulty of the actions, I'd view them as allowing cross-color matches. Sai able to Jam after coordinating a Reaper to Jam, or a HWK with Squad Leader able to coordinate a Boost to a Fang or a Starviper.

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