Just now, Darth Meanie said:

*sigh*

There could be at least 10 ways to do this:

1. Require Vader in the list.

2. Only allow the BHs we see on the bridge of the Executor.

3. Require them to be "hired" costing list points.

4. Require the to be hired using a mod/title slot.

5. Not allow more than 1 per list.

6. Create them as a new pilot card that is Imperial only that gets used when they cross-over.

7. Make that cross-over card different/weaker than the S&V faction card.

8. Make them "casual only."

9. Use the All Hallowed App to fix any balancing problems.

10. Just do it because it would be fun and f*ck gameplay just once.

I’m not saying there aren’t ways to make it work, but that takes more thought and consideration then just flipping a switch. And once you open that flood gate, more problems could arise.

Also, your 8th option doesn’t need FFG.

We do a lot of alternate formats at or store, one of which is "Traitor,"in which you choose your faction, but one ship has to be from outside that faction. There's more to it, but the bottom line is that there are ways to break the rules of squad building and have tons of fun. I am very much looking forward to bringing a bounty hunter into my Imperial squads for this format.

13 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

I’m not saying there aren’t ways to make it work, but that takes more thought and consideration then just flipping a switch. And once you open that flood gate, more problems could arise.

Also, your 8th option doesn’t need FFG.

Well, it doesn't have to be a flood gate; just start with 1-5 bounty hunters. Because first and foremost, Boba Fett was not imbalanced as part of the Imperial faction already.

And, 8 does.

"Casual only" is not the same as "DIY."

"Casual Only" still has the stamp of approval from the FFG design team (because they made it), and could be used in any FLGS* even between players who are strangers. It just means that FFG is not going to recognize the card as valid for winnings and rankings in official events.

DIY means I'm really only able to use it among friends who accept my goofy design and are willing to see how it goes.

*I mean, I assume there are times players get together and play without "getting reps" or trying to claw to the top of the rankings. . .

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15 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, it doesn't have to be a flood gate; just start with 1-5 bounty hunters. Because first and foremost, Boba Fett was not imbalanced as part of the Imperial faction already.

And, 8 does.

"Casual only" is not the same as "DIY."

"Casual Only" still has the stamp of approval from the FFG design team (because they made it), and could be used in any FLGS* even between players who are strangers. It just means that FFG is not going to recognize the card as valid for winnings and rankings in official events.

DIY means I'm really only able to use it among friends who accept my goofy design and are willing to see how it goes.

*I mean, I assume there are times players get together and play without "getting reps" or trying to claw to the top of the rankings. . .

Have you tested everything to back up your hypothesis that Boba doesn’t break anything? And once Boba is green lit, people will want more even beyond the 5 because there is more to Star Wars than just them.

And you seem to have a misconception about playing at a shop. It’s all about what people agree on together. Played stuff like HotAC at my store easy as pie. Didn’t need FFG’s okay, and we talked about it before hand. If I wanted to fly Boba with Imps, all I would have to do is check if it’s cool with my opponent. Friend or stranger. Heck, if it’s not an official prize supported tournament, it can have whatever rules people want, including cross faction play.

See? Even some tournament players know how to make the fun they want themselves and be casual about it. It’s better to just have FFG worry about the official stuff. We can deal with our own “goofy designs” ourselves, the way we want it.

22 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, it doesn't have to be a flood gate; just start with 1-5 bounty hunters. Because first and foremost, Boba Fett was not imbalanced as part of the Imperial faction already.

And, 8 does.

"Casual only" is not the same as "DIY."

"Casual Only" still has the stamp of approval from the FFG design team (because they made it), and could be used in any FLGS* even between players who are strangers. It just means that FFG is not going to recognize the card as valid for winnings and rankings in official events.

DIY means I'm really only able to use it among friends who accept my goofy design and are willing to see how it goes.

*I mean, I assume there are times players get together and play without "getting reps" or trying to claw to the top of the rankings. . .

It kinda is a flood gate though. I mean, if you allow the original 5 then you’ve gotta let rebels use ketsu since she eventually joins Phoenix Squadron. Then you’ve got Saw. In universe he wouldn’t have any problem hiring outside help from a bounty hunter, (in fact, I bet he’d encourage disintegration s). If you look close most bounty hunters have worked with rebels and imperials over the years. The whole point of the factions is loyalty/motivation. That’s why saw isn’t in scum regardless of what he does. Rebels want to save the galaxy, imperials want to serve the emporer, scum just want to get paid.

Also, point number 8 is the reason leagues exist. Every league I’ve ever played in has had rules that aren’t “official FFG”. Whoever is running it just proposes an idea, if everyone likes it we do it. When new players show up we tell them how we’re playing it and they usually just jump in.

45 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

So, while the last statement is true, there is no reason that a mechanic could not be implemented in the game allowing the Imperial faction access to (at least the 5) bounty hunters.

There are times when the rigid application of gameplay >>>>> fluff just screws this game out of anything that could be interesting. The Empire can easily be justified as having access to Boba Fett, even if it was at a mild points premium. If 2.0 is as balanced as everyone claims, it shouldn't make a **** bit of difference that the Boba Firespray crosses the faction line.

At the very least, FFG could implement a style of card that is "legally casual," that allows a little listbuilding fluff when you are not at a tournament. Better than DIY, because the Fett can show up as an Imp at the FLGS, but off-limits for tournament play.

But the fact that stuff like this is just written off as gameplay-required sucks the life out of the idea that this game is truly about Star Wars.

I am all for a card that lets Boba, or any Bounty Hunter be chosen while Darth Vader is in the squad - similar to 0-0-0 and BT-1.

This allows a scum option be used, and fits with the lore, as well as following the mantra of we don't need that scum, which most Empire squads should follow.

Also, there is a possibility that certain events could also allow cross faction options.

30 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

And you seem to have a misconception about playing at a shop. It’s all about what people agree on together.

26 minutes ago, Bigocto said:

Also, point number 8 is the reason leagues exist. Every league I’ve ever played in has had rules that aren’t “official FFG”. Whoever is running it just proposes an idea, if everyone likes it we do it. When new players show up we tell them how we’re playing it and they usually just jump in.

I guess I do and fair enough.

So I guess I no longer understand the lament of the OP.

17 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

So I guess I no longer understand the lament of the OP.

That they are no longer able to run Fett in concert with their favorite Imperial ships in a list that is acceptable within standard rules?

15 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

That they are no longer able to run Fett in concert with their favorite Imperial ships in a list that is acceptable within standard rules?

But apparently only to win tournaments? Cuz it sounds like no one cares otherwise.

I just don't get it. Everyone's all kinds of cool with crazy stuff at the FLGS, but I suggest making it come from FFG and suddenly it's a no-fly zone.

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Instead of the really stupid "variants" in the app currently, how 'bout FFG adds a "No Faction Boundaries" button.

I mean, it'll take the forums a couple of months to work the bugs out for FFG, but then we could have some real fun.

2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

But apparently only to win tournaments? Cuz it sounds like no one cares otherwise.

I just don't get it. Everyone's all kinds of cool with crazy stuff at the FLGS, but I suggest making it come from FFG and suddenly it's a no-fly zone.

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Instead of the really stupid "variants" in the app currently, how 'bout FFG adds a "No Faction Boundaries" button.

I mean, it'll take the forums a couple of months to work the bugs out for FFG, but then we could have some real fun.

It would make for an interesting game variant.

Just dabble a bit in scum when the guild TIE comes out. Nothing wrong with having ONE list of scum.

2 minutes ago, Mep said:

Just dabble a bit in scum when the guild TIE comes out. Nothing wrong with having ONE list of scum.

Toss Qi'ra on the Firespray and with the MGTs they'll have a very mobile list.

15 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Boba's primary client in Empire Strikes back was Jabba (Jabba's bounty on Han). The job from Vader was taken to ease the completion of that contract and add a bit of side money while mitigating possible Imperial interference in his contract with Jabba (both wanted Han dealt with though Skywalker was Vader's primary target).

11 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

The bounty hunters were working for Darth Vader, NOT, the Empire.

Well, Vader's unusual role (or lack thereof) in the command structure still practically makes him second in command to the Empire. I mean, I do get what everyone's saying though.

Along that line, it would make sense that one reason would be to avoid opening the floodgates of even just the Empire Strikes Back bounty hunters. It's one thing for Boba to come along with an Imperial escort on the hunt for Solo, but it would be sort of weird to play an Imperial list that is nothing aside from Boba, Dengar, IG-88, Zuckuss, Bossk, and 4-LOM (which could follow from that logic). Especially since those characters are also arguably some of the more iconic characters of the Scum faction (Han is way more iconic obviously, but isn't even close to limited to the Scum faction).

That's the sort of thing that annoys me about Sabine's TIE and the Mining Guild TIE. TIEs are the iconic Empire ship. I get why such things might exist in a fully realized version of the Star Wars universe, but in a real world all the lines would be blurrier anyway and a whole bunch of other floodgates should open. To me, those ships being canon is what's really annoying, and them being in X-Wing is just a side effect that I can't really blame FFG for.

I'll admit, I've always thought some sort of spy scenario/set with ships like a Rebel-flown Shuttle Tydirium and a stolen TIE Phantom would be fun. I understood why they have been avoided for the main gameplay though. I also don't think Boba Fett on his own goes to that extreme.

The Boba thing will still continue feel odd to me. Even in Boba's... first appearance, he was helping the Empire on Vader's behalf. That's just the way I, and I think many others, see him. Even if that's not the proper context for him, I think his on-screen associations explain why so many feel a certain way about this change.