5 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

honestly, haven't been impressed by anyone except Vader (and fifth bro on redline, but that's because redline). I'm sure you could get better crew for cheaper.

For the record, kallus seems REAL nifty for his cost

0-0-0 is incredible (plus you already have Vader...)

That's my analysis of Imp crew too.

Specifically to beat the quad Juking Sigmas:

Whisper with Juke; Sigma with Juke; Soontir Fel; Sabre Squadron Ace. 198pts.

Give initiative to the quad Sigmas. All 4 of these then move 2nd and 2 fire first. With equivalent player skill, the Sigmas lose because they get less shots since they can be outmanoevred. Dice results can still affect this, of course.

And you only need one conversion kit and 2 phantoms and interceptors.

3 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

If you put Vader on Whisper then you can strip their token before the rest of your list fires, enabling juke for everyone. If Vader is on Echo then you can't use him to strip a token for Whisper.

Vader does Vader things at the start of the Engagemeng phase not when the ship engages. It doesn’t matter who Vader is on

18 minutes ago, SOTL said:

That's my analysis of Imp crew too.

I think there have been some serious overreactions to the Imperial crew. “Amazing” is definitely something I have heard bandied about.

Vader is Amazing. The others are expensive tools. Tarkin might pass out locks but only after you already have one and are right in the thick of the fight. Ciena Ree might spin a ship but that is her only trick and it’s really expensive for something you might never need.

I find it hard to fit them in squads. Even Sloane who is also quite good needs a very specific squad.

Vader is nice but since it's the opponent choosing, he will always choose the lesser evil depending on the current state of the game. I'm not a fan of that considering how much you paying the sith lord.

The same is true for 000, but at least he's way cheaper than vader

Sloane is poor, which makes her one of the better Imp crew.

I listened to the 186th podcast rave about the Imp crew and went to chat to them about it. Took about 5 minutes for them to realise they were wrong and the crew were probably all bad.

The do really cool stuff, but at their current cost with current range of ships to go on they're just a tantalising range of traps.

1 hour ago, Sunitsa said:

Vader is nice but since it's the opponent choosing, he will always choose the lesser evil depending on the current state of the game.

Or he doesn't, if you have the good taste to put said Sith Lord on a blocker

Best way to ensure there's no token to spend and avoid the auto damage.

3 hours ago, SOTL said:

That's my analysis of Imp crew too.

You guys are missing 5th brother on outmaneuver/juke duchess, imho. That force allows her to use evade or br more freely.

5 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

You guys are missing 5th brother on outmaneuver/juke duchess, imho. That force allows her to use evade or br more freely.

That is a lot of points on a Striker, I don't know...

31 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

You guys are missing 5th brother on outmaneuver/juke duchess, imho. That force allows her to use evade or br more freely.

He's not crew. Certainly he's a good upgrade, but questionable on ships where he can be placed.

3 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

Vader is nice but since it's the opponent choosing, he will always choose the lesser evil depending on the current state of the game. I'm not a fan of that considering how much you paying the sith lord.

The same is true for 000, but at least he's way cheaper than vader

The opponent isn’t actually choosing. They need to spend a green token to avoid damage. It’s easy to take that choice away from them through blocking or jam, and it also forces them to make bad decisions during activation so they get a green token in the first place.

Not to mention that Juke makes it incredibly easy to take advantage of them having no focus, or the fact that you get the initial choice of whether to use Vader or save the Force point to use during Engagement.

Vader is either damage or range 2 jam in arc. That is really strong. Neither of those choices are good.

7 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

If you put Vader on Whisper then you can strip their token before the rest of your list fires, enabling juke for everyone. If Vader is on Echo then you can't use him to strip a token for Whisper.

Whispering Vader FTW

4 hours ago, DodgingArcs said:

Vader does Vader things at the start of the Engagemeng phase not when the ship engages. It doesn’t matter who Vader is on

You're right. I don't know why I had that mixed up. Thanks for the correction.

4 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

Vader is nice but since it's the opponent choosing, he will always choose the lesser evil depending on the current state of the game. I'm not a fan of that considering how much you paying the sith lord.

The same is true for 000, but at least he's way cheaper than vader

The trick is in giving them a false choice. Against a juking phantom the loss of a green token is almost as bad as a free damage, and the lost token robs them of offense as well. It really doesn't matter what they choose.

The opponent choosing is really only an issue if the target was able to get multiple green tokens anyway.

Unless theres a support ship around, not many can do that. And the few that can REALLY need both due to juke.

Tbh i wouldnt even use Vader to strip a token i'd just keep his force for focus conversion. If i snagged someone without a green token, then yeah bam take damage buddy.

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

He's not crew. Certainly he's a good upgrade, but questionable on ships where he can be placed.

Duchess has a gunner slot, so 5th Bro fits very nicely there. I like the idea of a Striker amidst Phantoms - still keeps the opponent guessing.

Most of the time, the strongest part of Vader is the token stripping, not the damage. That's why it's not that good it's your opponent choosing.

Bear in mind, I'm not saying Vader crew is bad, just that it risks to fall short when you most need it and for what it costs, this is quite a weakness

Vader crew gets sad when moldy Crow Palob is around.

A lot of guys are sad when Palob is around because Palob is THE MAN

but even if Vader is just knocking off greens, it means

1.) Opponent has less mods for offense

2.) Opponent's getting JUKED!!!

I don't, however, personally like Vader on a 5 health ship. He's been a blast on Vermeil (though he's also squishy if not flown right)

He might also have legs on just a lambda, like the Doom shuttle of yore (and Yorr, because he's ancient history ?) but less spikey and more reliable (Vader works out the aux arc and even at range 0)

Yeah thats one of the platforms i was thinking of vader on since i noticed he only calls out firing arc, not forward firing arc.
Decimators too but i think i'd rather have Seventh on them for the massive bubble of "Dont you dare link action!"