Let me tell you something. I just finished spectating Vassal game with 4 Phantoms list.

THIS. LIST. IS. EVIL.

I don't know how long we have to wait for points adjustments but I am willing to bet that those ships will be one of the first to be priced up.

The strenght of this list and ability to pick fights is unreal. 12 red dice, with Juke, unrivalled maneuvrability and fairly solid chassis.

The opponent of this list was just obliterated.

I am starting to hunt for 1ed. Phantoms if nothing changes, because otherwise this list will be a POWERHOUSE.

26 minutes ago, Embir82 said:

Let me tell you something. I just finished spectating Vassal game with 4 Phantoms list.

THIS. LIST. IS. EVIL.

I don't know how long we have to wait for points adjustments but I am willing to bet that those ships will be one of the first to be priced up.

The strenght of this list and ability to pick fights is unreal. 12 red dice, with Juke, unrivalled maneuvrability and fairly solid chassis.

The opponent of this list was just obliterated.

I am starting to hunt for 1ed. Phantoms if nothing changes, because otherwise this list will be a POWERHOUSE.

What’s the full list entail?

I wonder how 4 Fang Fighters would handle it?

Just 4 Sigmas with Juke? Is that the list?

3 minutes ago, Ixidor said:

Just 4 Sigmas with Juke? Is that the list?

6 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

What’s the full list entail?

Yes, this is the whole list. 4 Sigma Squadron Aces with Juke.
But oh boy, what a punch it got!

Considering everyone has like 35 Alt Art Jukes at this point in time, this makes sense.

Called it, part 2

Personally more a fan of juke whisper, double juke Sigma, and duchess though

Either way, had no idea what anyone who said the phantom got nerfed could possibly be thinking

Stygium is AMAZING

1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said:

Called it, part 2

Personally more a fan of juke whisper, double juke Sigma, and duchess though

Hmm. That sounds fun

Honestly, I like the phantom more than striker (more reliable chasis) but I don't own four so...

Edit: do have to add, though, that phamtoms are fun AS **** to play

Love the manueverability, love the reliability of the evade, LOVE juking green dice because **** them

Amazingly designed ship, def up there on my top 3 favorite experiences across both editions of xwing

Just now, ficklegreendice said:

Honestly, I like the phantom more than striker (more reliable chasis) but I don't own four so...

How many dials are in Conversion Kit? 2 or 3? Because I seriously consider buying at least 2 more Phantoms now.

13 minutes ago, Embir82 said:

How many dials are in Conversion Kit? 2 or 3? Because I seriously consider buying at least 2 more Phantoms now.

2

- Two Dials

- 2 Sigma Squadron Ace

- 2 Imdaar Test Pilot

- 1 Whisper

- 1 Echo

Pretty sure faq says two

I actually only played them online and got my *** handed to me by a list i made the other guy, but I don't think you NEED four

There's "the most fun squad:"

(42) "Deathrain"
(5) Proton Bombs
(3) Seismic Charges
(6) Barrage Rockets
(3) Trajectory Simulator
(4) Ablative Plating
Points 63

(52) "Whisper"
(4) Juke
Points 56

(46) Sigma Squadron Ace
(4) Juke
Points 50

(30) Gideon Hask
(1) Crack Shot
Points 31

Total points: 200

Or the "where the **** an I even going" squad

(52) "Whisper"
(4) Juke
Points 56

(49) Major Vermeil
(14) Darth Vader
(3) 0-0-0
Points 66

(50) "Echo"
(4) Juke
Points 54

(23) Academy Pilot
Points 23

Total points: 199

Not sure you could beat the overall excellence of the juke Sigma, but you could fit two in with other ships like two Nu Squadron (xg, ion, procket, advanced SLAM) or an Imadaar phantom (or duchess!) with Palp Reaper

5 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Or the "where the **** an I even going" squad

(52) "Whisper"
(4) Juke
Points 56

(49) Major Vermeil
(14) Darth Vader
(3) 0-0-0
Points 66

(50) "Echo"
(4) Juke
Points 54

(23) Academy Pilot
Points 23

Total points: 199

Not sure you could beat the overall excellence of the juke Sigma, but you could fit two in with other ships like two Nu Squadron (xg, ion, procket, advanced SLAM) or an Imadaar phantom (or duchess!) with Palp Reaper

This lists looks like a handful.

@ficklegreendice you’re going to make me start playing Empire more

...can people stop panic overreacting everytime they see a list win for the first time?

Itd be kinda cool if our community was known for thinking about the game a little tiny bit more throughly then just “REEEEEEEE I SAW A SHIP THAT DID WELL ONE TIME IT MUST BE UNDERCOSTED REEEEE”.

X-Wing is way more interesting than that right now. Maybe do some actual testing with this and report back in detail after 25-50 games with and against the list with varying opponents.

Its fine and often fun to speculate, but enough with all the sky is falling stuff. Extremely good players, like “worlds winners” tier players, dont even jump to conclusions this fast...

Or you know carry on and just panic everytime someone loses to an I4 small base arc.

1 minute ago, Cgriffith said:

This lists looks like a handful.

Takes about five minutes a round just to even begin to consider planning around all that nonsense

But Vader crew enabling juke is ?

Just now, Boom Owl said:

...can people stop panic overreacting everytime they see a list win for the first time?

Itd be kinda cool if our community was known for thinking about the game a little tiny bit more throughly then just “REEEEEEEE I SAW A SHIP THAT DID WELL ONE TIME IT MUST BE UNDERCOSTED REEEEE”.

X-Wing is way more interesting than that right now. Maybe do some actual testing with this and report back in detail after 25-50 games with and against the list with varying opponents.

Its fine and often fun to speculate, but enough with all the sky is falling stuff. Extremely good players, like “worlds winners” tier players, dont even jump to conclusions this fast...

Or you know carry on and just panic everytime someone loses to an I4 small base arc.

The secret of the forums is that worlds tier players dont post here often enough to have an impact. If into the FFG forums you go, only pain will you find.

1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

...can people stop panic overreacting everytime they see a list win for the first time?

Itd be kinda cool if our community was known for thinking about the game a little tiny bit more throughly then just “REEEEEEEE I SAW A SHIP THAT DID WELL ONE TIME IT MUST BE UNDERCOSTED REEEEE”.

X-Wing is way more interesting than that right now. Maybe do some actual testing with this and report back in detail after 25-50 games with and against the list with varying opponents.

Its fine and often fun to speculate, but enough with all the sky is falling stuff. Extremely good players, like “worlds winners” tier players, dont even jump to conclusions this fast...

Or you know carry on and just panic everytime someone loses to an I4 small base arc.

And maybe you will stop with obnoxious protective tone?

I am not mad or terrified. I know how to play this game, and consider myself as a fairly good player, unless you think thatTOP 8 at SOS or TOP 16 at Natio are not a good results.
And from what I see this list will rock. Hyperbole is just stylistic thing.

If you don't like what you see there leave topic.

1 hour ago, Embir82 said:

And maybe you will stop with obnoxious protective tone?

I am not mad or terrified. I know how to play this game, and consider myself as a fairly good player, unless you think thatTOP 8 at SOS or TOP 16 at Natio are not a good results.
And from what I see this list will rock. Hyperbole is just stylistic thing.

If you don't like what you see there leave topic.

Sorry about the tone.

Im protective only because I keep hearing new players that have just begun learning 2.0 repeat this kinda stuff without the context and experience you might have and its sad.

I'm planning on running Whisper and 2 Sigma Aces, all with Juke.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention they also have Darth Vader, The Grand Inquisitor and the Seventh Sister as crew.

Don't know how the list will perform but it'll be fun to find out.

honestly, haven't been impressed by anyone except Vader (and fifth bro on redline, but that's because redline). I'm sure you could get better crew for cheaper.

For the record, kallus seems REAL nifty for his cost

0-0-0 is incredible (plus you already have Vader...)

3-4 phantoms are a very good list. I personally find the whisper or echo variants more enjoyable to play.

198pt Raiders
Echo - Juke
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke
Imdaar Test Pilot -

198pt Aces
Echo - Juke
Whisper - Juke
Imdaar Test Pilot -
Imdaar Test Pilot -

200pt Sith
Echo - Juke, Darth Vader, Collision Detector
Whisper - Juke, Grand Inquisitor, Collision Detector
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke

or my current favourite, which uses twin phantoms and Fel
198pt
Echo - Juke, Darth Vader, Collision Detector
Whisper - Juke, Grand Inquisitor, Collision Detector
Fel - Predator

2 hours ago, Autosketch said:

3-4 phantoms are a very good list. I personally find the whisper or echo variants more enjoyable to play.

198pt Raiders
Echo - Juke
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke
Imdaar Test Pilot -

198pt Aces
Echo - Juke
Whisper - Juke
Imdaar Test Pilot -
Imdaar Test Pilot -

200pt Sith
Echo - Juke, Darth Vader, Collision Detector
Whisper - Juke, Grand Inquisitor, Collision Detector
Sigma Sq. Ace - Juke

or my current favourite, which uses twin phantoms and Fel
198pt
Echo - Juke, Darth Vader, Collision Detector
Whisper - Juke, Grand Inquisitor, Collision Detector
Fel - Predator

If you put Vader on Whisper then you can strip their token before the rest of your list fires, enabling juke for everyone. If Vader is on Echo then you can't use him to strip a token for Whisper.

Don't forget about Seventh Sister. Even if she doesn't actually trigger you're still forcing your opponent to play around her and making them think twice about doing linked actions.

39 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

If you put Vader on Whisper then you can strip their token before the rest of your list fires, enabling juke for everyone. If Vader is on Echo then you can't use him to strip a token for Whisper.

Yep agreed, however practically Vader is a higher priority to destroy for most lists and putting him on whisper makes whisper the primary target. It’s much easier to bait and feint with echo, so much so that I have found Vader on echo to be the better fit, at least for me. It has led to more times where whisper ends up doing more damage because the opponent picked the wrong ship to chase. Furthermore, GI on whisper is a great fit for keeping her alive until the end of the game where she does very well. I find Vader on whisper inevitably ends up with a dead whisper pretty fast

22 minutes ago, DXCrazytrain said:

Don't forget about Seventh Sister. Even if she doesn't actually trigger you're still forcing your opponent to play around her and making them think twice about doing linked actions.

I actually like her better than the quiz on the phantoms because of how stress sensitive they are.

1 minute ago, Autosketch said:

Yep agreed, however practically Vader is a higher priority to destroy for most lists and putting him on whisper makes whisper a very strong target. It’s much easier to bait and feint with echo, so much so that I have found Vader on echo to be the better fit, at least for me.

I can see that, and it really only matters if you are focus firing and they are able to use the green token to block more than one damage.