6 hours ago, Squark said:Correct. It is indeed a strange card, but that's how it works.
It's actually how other similar cards work now. Console Fire, for example, activates when you engage. I think this is the new timing window now rather than things starting next round.
4 hours ago, Farseerixirvost said:Does a weapon with a bullseye arc count as firing from the front arc for purposes of abilities that trigger on firing from the front arc?
I’m pretty sure that’s a no, as they’re listed as different arcs.
In a similar vein, though... the “Single arc turret” icon on upgrade cards applies to all (bowtie, too) turrets, right?
1 hour ago, SpiderMana said:I’m pretty sure that’s a no, as they’re listed as different arcs.
In a similar vein, though... the “Single arc turret” icon on upgrade cards applies to all (bowtie, too) turrets, right?
No to bullseye/front, yes to bowtie/single turret, because bowtie is defined as 2 independant single arcs that need to turn together.
3 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:No to bullseye/front, yes to bowtie/single turret, because bowtie is defined as 2 independant single arcs that need to turn together.
Ah, cool, hadn’t noticed that definition.
So I have a weird situation that came up, and I’m not sure we ruled it correctly.
I was running Whisper (Juke, Collision Detecte, Vader), Marek x1(Debris Gambit, FCS), and Sai (Krennic, Tarkin, ST-321). My opponent had Biggs, Evaan Verlaine with ion, Kyle Katarn with title and Jyn, and Wedge.
Anyhow at one point the Y got a ion shot at Whisper and managed to get an ion through. And the question was threefold.
1) does ion block decloak
2) could Lieutenant Sai coordinate an action onto Whisper, including to BR since that was not Whisper’s Perform Action step
3) does Whisper get her free evade from decloaking since, again, this was not during her perform action step.
We agreed yes to all, because the rule as written for ion is
do not assign and reveal a dial
perform an ion maneuver (blue 1 straight)
during perform action step may only perform focus action
remove all ion tokens
So we ruled that decloak is independent of dial, so decloak yes. Incidentally this would also mean ion no longer shuts down bombs, one of my favorite 1.0 counter tactics to Nymranda. And that since decloak is not part of her Action step, evade from Stygium yes.
Then the coordinate from Sai was also ruled valid as it was not from the ioned ships Perform Action step, so Whisper barrel rolled back towards her start (I was flanking two stressed ships), which could trigger the title for prototype shenanigans.
it seems to conform to the RAW, and both my opponent and I agreed on that point but also how we could see it ruled otherwise. So what day you, was there some explanation we missed?
On 9/15/2018 at 4:55 AM, Admiral Deathrain said:No to bullseye/front, yes to bowtie/single turret, because bowtie is defined as 2 independant single arcs that need to turn together.
Huh, that’s a fancy way around the issue. Clever.
On 9/15/2018 at 5:36 PM, millertime059 said:So I have a weird situation that came up, and I’m not sure we ruled it correctly.
I was running Whisper (Juke, Collision Detecte, Vader), Marek x1(Debris Gambit, FCS), and Sai (Krennic, Tarkin, ST-321). My opponent had Biggs, Evaan Verlaine with ion, Kyle Katarn with title and Jyn, and Wedge.
Anyhow at one point the Y got a ion shot at Whisper and managed to get an ion through. And the question was threefold.
1) does ion block decloak
2) could Lieutenant Sai coordinate an action onto Whisper, including to BR since that was not Whisper’s Perform Action step
3) does Whisper get her free evade from decloaking since, again, this was not during her perform action step.
We agreed yes to all, because the rule as written for ion is
do not assign and reveal a dial
perform an ion maneuver (blue 1 straight)
during perform action step may only perform focus action
remove all ion tokens
So we ruled that decloak is independent of dial, so decloak yes. Incidentally this would also mean ion no longer shuts down bombs, one of my favorite 1.0 counter tactics to Nymranda. And that since decloak is not part of her Action step, evade from Stygium yes.
Then the coordinate from Sai was also ruled valid as it was not from the ioned ships Perform Action step, so Whisper barrel rolled back towards her start (I was flanking two stressed ships), which could trigger the title for prototype shenanigans.
it seems to conform to the RAW, and both my opponent and I agreed on that point but also how we could see it ruled otherwise. So what day you, was there some explanation we missed?
1: No.
2: Yes.
3: Yes.
You got it right. Trust your reading of the rules and cards.
Another question that popped up tonight.
If a ship is stressed, can a pilot abilites like Jake Farrell's or Airen Cracken's give the stressed ship a focus action or any other action in case of Airen's ability?
At the same time, Garven's ability simply passes a focus token, so is that able to be passed to a stress ship?
30 minutes ago, Arc170Chris said:If a ship is stressed, can a pilot abilites like Jake Farrell's or Airen Cracken's give the stressed ship a focus action or any other action in case of Airen's ability?
At the same time, Garven's ability simply passes a focus token, so is that able to be passed to a stress ship?
A stressed ship cannot perform actions, so Jake, Cracken, Lando etc cannot allow a stressed ship to perform an action of any kind.
Garven (or kyle, or esege) passing focus is not an action, so yes, it works for stressed ships.
An interesting one I've seen on FB, pertinent to arcs. Outmanoevre triggering when in the front arc of a sideways facing bowtie, even though the defending ship is equipped with munitions. Munitions, though they fire forward, do not add a forward firing arc to a turretted ship.
Seem right?
Does ablative plating block crits if you spend a charge? Its throwing me off they didnt use the hit/crit symbols.
22 minutes ago, Oprah Smash said:Does ablative plating block crits if you spend a charge? Its throwing me off they didnt use the hit/crit symbols.
only from "friendly" bombs and obstacles
Edited by HiemfireOn 9/15/2018 at 4:55 AM, Admiral Deathrain said:No to bullseye/front,
"Bullseye arc: This arc is found inside the Front arc. If something is in a ship’s Bullseye arc it is also in its Front arc."
how is that a no? did I miss something?
Edited by McTavish1 hour ago, McTavish said:"Bullseye arc: This arc is found inside the Front arc. If something is in a ship’s Bullseye arc it is also in its Front arc."
how is that a no? did I miss something?
Sure, they're in your front arc. But you're firing from the bullseye arc, not the whole front arc.
Edit: From the Rules Reference update, on the FAQ page at the end: "A [Front Arc] attack uses the [Front Arc] icon above the attack value as shown on its ship card. This is different from an attack that is performed against a ship in it’s [Front Arc]."
Edited by SpiderMana14 hours ago, Cuz05 said:An interesting one I've seen on FB, pertinent to arcs. Outmanoevre triggering when in the front arc of a sideways facing bowtie, even though the defending ship is equipped with munitions. Munitions, though they fire forward, do not add a forward firing arc to a turretted ship.
Seem right?
Check the most recent rules reference.
The ship using outmanoeuvre must be using a [front arc] weapon - that is a [front arc] primary, missile, cannon, or whatever. They cannot use a [full front arc] or [turret arc] weapon, even if the target is in their front arc (thus no outmanoeuvre on a YV-666 or auzituck). The ship must also not be in any of the defender's firing arcs. According to the rules reference, a ship's firing arcs are any shaded arcs on the ship base, any turret arcs, and any primary firing arcs added by upgrade cards.
So in your example, yes, outmanoeuvre triggers, because the defender's front arc is not a firing arc. The munitions do not add a firing arc.
On the flipside, though, Han Solo firing missiles could make use of outmanoeuvre himself, since he's making a [front arc] attack.
6 hours ago, SpiderMana said:Edit: From the Rules Reference update, on the FAQ page at the end: "A [Front Arc] attack uses the [Front Arc] icon above the attack value as shown on its ship card. This is different from an attack that is performed against a ship in it’s [Front Arc]."
Man, that is convoluted. Everything in the 'Arc' section and similar sections is inclusive. I was about to resist your claim until I saw that wee little bit on the last page.
Sheesh. They should really just add a couple lines to 'Arc' or 'Attack' or something calling it out specifically. I can see that starting a lot of arguments in game shops.
2 hours ago, McTavish said:Man, that is convoluted. Everything in the 'Arc' section and similar sections is inclusive. I was about to resist your claim until I saw that wee little bit on the last page.
Sheesh. They should really just add a couple lines to 'Arc' or 'Attack' or something calling it out specifically. I can see that starting a lot of arguments in game shops.
It's a bit confusing. The easiest way to think about it is to think about "in arc" as the actual arcs on the base and "a specificKindOfArc attack" as the specificKindOfOfArc shown on the card describing the attack
8 hours ago, gadwag said:It's a bit confusing. The easiest way to think about it is to think about "in arc" as the actual arcs on the base and "a specificKindOfArc attack" as the specificKindOfOfArc shown on the card describing the attack
Ya, It makes complete sense once you know about it. The confusing part is that there is nothing to suggest that distinction anywhere in the main body of the rules. The concept is introduced in the FAQ on the very last page.
Rebel Han's pilot ability is in a weird gray area, where nobody seems 100% on whether or not it falls under the header of "Dice Modification". To clarify it says it doesn't count as a reroll, one of the categories of dice modification, but it also doesn't fit under other dice modification headers. So if he got a Blinded Pilot or was Locked by midnight, it's entirely possible, although very unclear right now, that he could still use his pilot ability to reroll.
Edited by MasterShake28 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:
Rebel Han's pilot ability is in a weird gray area, where nobody seems 100% on whether or not it falls under the header of "Dice Modification". To clarify it says it doesn't count as a reroll, one of the categories of dice modification, but it also doesn't fit under other dice modification headers. So if he got a Blinded Pilot or was Locked by midnight, it's entirely possible, although very unclear right now, that he could still use his pilot ability to reroll.
It's certainly a dice modification, just not a reroll
For Airen Cracken, would his ability work with a Cluster Missile bonus attack?
11 minutes ago, jjscloud9 said:For Airen Cracken, would his ability work with a Cluster Missile bonus attack?
Yes, though he would have to target a different friendly ship than the first which is now presumably stressed.
2 minutes ago, Tvboy said:Yes, though he would have to target a different friendly ship than the first which is now presumably stressed.
Thanks. Still sounds like a good deal.
On 9/20/2018 at 4:44 PM, gadwag said:It's certainly a dice modification, just not a reroll
If it's "not a reroll", then it's not a modification. (Mod = reroll/change result/add result/spend and nothing else.) If it were really that simple, Blinded Pilot would clearly not stop his ability.
Despite the actual text being the far more ambiguous "This does not count as rerolling for the purpose of other effects.", I still say that's the way it works here. (Plus, well, Han is known for making amazing half-blinded shots...)