So I am known for flying nothing but Mando themed ships (Fangs and sprays) but looking over the squad builder with up to date costs I tried to make a list with one of my faviorate characters... and I feel its some pretty silly non-sense, especially for his cost... 54 flat? Loaded to insanity for 100?

FLYING SOLO:

Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter - Han Solo - 88 •Han Solo - The Corellian Kid (54) Trick Shot (1) Proton Rockets (7) Boba Fett (4) Tobias Beckett (2) Rigged Cargo Chute (4) Engine Upgrade (9) Lando’s Millennium Falcon (6) Greedo (1)

Escape Craft - Autopilot Drone - 12 •Autopilot Drone - Set to Blow (12)

BTL-A4 Y-wing - Kavil - 50 •Kavil - Callous Corsair (42) Ion Cannon Turret (6) R4 Astromech (2)

BTL-A4 Y-wing - Drea Renthal - 48 •Drea Renthal - Pirate Lord (40) Ion Cannon Turret (6) R4 Astromech (2)

Total: 198/200 View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

Just so you know, Drea’s ability does nothing in your list.

You've built a pretty bad squad with some pretty good pilots. Congrats!

Thanks ya'll, love the helpful discourse and the indepth discussion of costs and accessability. Like how Kavil is 50 points, Han is 54 and with upgrading him for the cost of a M-3a how silly it gets.

I don't get the purpose of drea in this list. It's it just for the ini? Pilot ability won't do ****

All the Scum Falcon pilots seem pretty cheap, but it's a 2 dice turret with 11 health.

I ran Lando twice last night, first game he did a lot of work but only because my opponent chose to shoot something else first. Second game was against a different guy and he nuked Lando pretty fast. For my part, I probably should have held Lando back a little as I had some support crew on him so being further away from the initial engagement isn't all bad because he can contribute a little. But still, I was surprised at how fast the Falcon burned down.

Also good luck killing a Luke 1v1 with that 2 dice turret, I've heard he was really good before hand, but geez he can tank some damage.

Kavil is cool, but he has an arc for that turret now and it only reaches out to range 2. If he gets focused fired he can go down in one round of shooting.

people really underestimate how difficult it is to obstruct your shots on command

I'm sure the falcon's fine, but it's really balanced around its piddly 2-die primary

I feel like Kavil is the only pilot in the game who would actually be better off with a Dorsal Turret over the Ion. It gives him a 3-die damaging attack at range 2, and 4 dice at range 1.

The biggest issue I'm seeing for Scum Han is that Seismic Charges are amazingly good value for the points, so he can quickly find himself without obstacles to shoot through.

And with Greedo, you're going to find yourself in for a world of pain the first time your attack blanks out and you can't spend your charge.

44 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

people really underestimate how difficult it is to obstruct your shots on command

I'm sure the falcon's fine, but it's really balanced around its piddly 2-die primary

It's well worth spending 60-70 points on.

Its not worth spending any more though, including the Escape Craft.

1 hour ago, Frostthorn said:

Thanks ya'll, love the helpful discourse and the indepth discussion of costs and accessability.

Sorry, I’m not trying to be a jerk. But until you switch out Drea there’s not much “in-depth” discussion to be had.

Spending points on abilities you can’t use is bad. It’s a fundamental rule of listbuilding, and discussing the finer points of how to kit out scum Han will be moot if that fundamental rule is still broken.

2 extra initiative is nice... but it’s not 6 points nice. There are plenty of better options you could spend 48 points on, including 2 binarye pirates.

10 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

Sorry, I’m not trying to be a jerk. But until you switch out Drea there’s not much “in-depth” discussion to be had.

Spending points on abilities you can’t use is bad. It’s a fundamental rule of listbuilding, and discussing the finer points of how to kit out scum Han will be moot if that fundamental rule is still broken.

2 extra initiative is nice... but it’s not 6 points nice. There are plenty of better options you could spend 48 points on, including 2 binarye pirates.

Instead of insisting on him, changing something before you engage in a confrontational tone why don't you offer assistance in building the better list. This community is supposedly friendly and engaging ... this type of response is not.

10 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

Instead of insisting on him, changing something before you engage in a confrontational tone why don't you offer assistance in building the better list. This community is supposedly friendly and engaging ... this type of response is not.

All he said was,

2 hours ago, WAC47 said:

Just so you know, Drea’s ability does nothing in your list.

Which is true. Drea's ability relies on synergies with non-limited generic pilots, and the OP's list has none. For the points, he'd be much better served either switching her or Kavil out for a generic Y-Wing, or going with one of the named HWK pilots instead.

9 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

All he said was,

Which is true. Drea's ability relies on synergies with non-limited generic pilots, and the OP's list has none. For the points, he'd be much better served either switching her or Kavil out for a generic Y-Wing, or going with one of the named HWK pilots instead.

He also said "not trying to be a jerk" which to me is confrontational and not the way anyone should address anyone asking for ideas or assistance which clearing the post was. This is my last response on this...

"Sorry, I’m not trying to be a jerk. But until you switch out Drea there’s not much “in-depth” discussion to be had "

4 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

He also said "not trying to be a jerk" which to me is confrontational and not the way anyone should address anyone asking for ideas or assistance which clearing the post was. This is my last response on this...

And this is why people say tournament players are jerks. He never once said he was looking for a tournament list. He made a list with pilots he loves. Wasted points and Synergies have no place in a discussion about a fun list.

Fair point!

12 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

And this is why people say tournament players are jerks. He never once said he was looking for a tournament list. He made a list with pilots he loves. Wasted points and Synergies have no place in a discussion about a fun list.

I disagree that they have no place in discussing a fun list. You can discuss how an upgrade won’t fully accomplish what the player wants, thus wasted, but there are other fun options. And there are synergies in thematic/fun lists, like putting Tobias and Boba together, which @Frostthorn did. True, discussions of wasted points and synergies are subordinate to what the player wants to accomplish, but that doesn’t mean that they have no place in the discussion.

Now, as to the OP’s list: @Frostthorn , have you played with the list at all? I’m very interested to hear how this Han does. He’s got so much potential to hit like a truck, but the situational nature of them have me nervous.

23 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

I disagree that they have no place in discussing a fun list. You can discuss how an upgrade won’t fully accomplish what the player wants, thus wasted, but there are other fun options. And there are synergies in thematic/fun lists, like putting Tobias and Boba together, which @Frostthorn did. True, discussions of wasted points and synergies are subordinate to what the player wants to accomplish, but that doesn’t mean that they have no place in the discussion.

I'm clearly not communicating well today so thanks for responding better than I could. Given the mention of point costs in both the initial post and the reply, I was under the impression @Frostthorn wanted to talk efficiency (not simply thematic/fun list building). I fired off a quick, matter-of-fact response and then responded defensively when met with sarcasm (which was a fair response to both @SOTL and me). I apologize.

3 hours ago, Cgriffith said:

He also said "not trying to be a jerk" which to me is confrontational and not the way anyone should address anyone asking for ideas or assistance which clearing the post was. This is my last response on this...

"Sorry, I’m not trying to be a jerk. But until you switch out Drea there’s not much “in-depth” discussion to be had "

I took the "Not trying to be a jerk" in response to the OP's reply of

6 hours ago, Frostthorn said:

Thanks ya'll, love the helpful discourse and the indepth discussion of costs and accessability.

To me, that statement is far more heavily slanted to putting someone on the defensive. I'll admit it's possible that I'm reading it wrong and there is no sarcasm behind it, but I can see why someone would see that and feel the need to defend themselves by saying they were not trying to be a jerk.

If it's a casual fun list, then why ask for discussion on it? Have fun with it, and talk about why it's fun for you. Especially talk about why you have Drea in that list and how you intend to use her, as her ability makes her seem like a poor choice.

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No, I was not looking for a tournament list, I've won me many a store champ and have my systems dice and Fett damage deck

I was looking to show 100 point fat han is only 2 mostly naked y-wings.

Han is only 88 loaded as they are and doc a doom shuttle for shield .

Fen Rau (Fang) naked is close to 70. A generic Fang (Skull) are 50... naked yt-1300 at ps 6 is 54.

That was my point, the costing and just how flat cheap the 1300 is and how silly it can get at still hella cheap.

nothing wrong with a naked yt-1300 at 54 points. It's a 2-die primary, and those are still not good even if they aren't outright worthless like in 1st edition

People testing it since Gen Con don't have the same high opinion of it... albeit 2 days ago someone posted that 4x Freighter Captains can do some nuisance (but who in the right mind would buy 4 falcons?)

1 minute ago, Vector Strike said:

(but who in the right mind would buy 4 falcons?)

I’ve got 5 (I think). Not quite certain how that happened.

You get 3 from just buying one of each product.

Its under priced , the pack contains the first power creep cards , ppl r intended to buy it ... what to say , we have seen that pattern before , don't we

Citation needed

The only things in there I feel is halfway worth a **** is gunner Han and Lando crew

Both of which are fantastic, but not required

The ship itself is fine, folks are blowing reasonable costs out of proportion. The base generic is 46. Lose two points and two health (and gain I 3 + an extra die + bullseye ability) and you have a Kimoglia

So here's my take on the list.

Keep Han on the outside, engaging with 4-LOM, to stress enemy ships hopefully. Follow up with some ion from Kavil for a little control, helping Han get obstructed shots and 4-LOM into range 1 to offload his stress.

000, is great as you either get to stress your opponent and get a fourth attack die or a calculate for offense/defense.

BTL-A4 Y-wing - Kavil - 60
•Kavil - Callous Corsair (42)
Expert Handling (2)
Ion Cannon Turret (6)
R4 Astromech (2)
Veteran Turret Gunner (8)

Escape Craft - Autopilot Drone - 12
•Autopilot Drone - Set to Blow (12)

Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter - Han Solo - 73
•Han Solo - The Corellian Kid (54)
Trick Shot (1)
0-0-0 (3)
L3–37 (4)
Rigged Cargo Chute (4)
Lando’s Millennium Falcon (6)
Greedo (1)

G-1A Starfighter - Zuckuss - 54
•Zuckuss - Meditative Gand (47)
Elusive (3)
Rigged Cargo Chute (4)

Total: 199/200

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