the white line on all of my templates is not centered. Anyone else experience this? Based on the pictures in the rule book, I don’t think it’s intentional.
Bad templates in core set?
I’ll check when I pickup my Core set tomorrow, but even in 1.0 there were variations in template sizes, albiet minor, between printings.
Yeah I have seen that, too
Absolutely expected for me, would be the first time that punchboard comes without tolerance
Edited by floozeThese center lines aren't really critical to the game though are they?
I plan on still using old templates
2 hours ago, Gberezowsky said:the white line on all of my templates is not centered. Anyone else experience this? Based on the pictures in the rule book, I don’t think it’s intentional.
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34 minutes ago, flooze said:Absolutely expected for me, would be the first time that punchboard comes without tolerance
Here u go
9 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:These center lines aren't really critical to the game though are they?
I plan on still using old templates
You will need them for barrel rolls and talon rolls, but I guess that can be eyeballed.
On the other side, if you mark your old templates yourself, they will be more precise than the new ones
I won't be using the cardboard templates. Bought a 2.0 compliant acrylic set from Curled Paw on Etsy.
34 minutes ago, T70 Driver said:I won't be using the cardboard templates. Bought a 2.0 compliant acrylic set from Curled Paw on Etsy.
how much they set u back?
Just now, Da_Brown_Bomber said:how much they set u back?
We did them as a club purchase. Got them for $10 a set.
4 minutes ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:how much they set u back?
I believe mine cost $25 including shipping. Worth it though, very nicely made and easy to use/paint.
1 hour ago, T70 Driver said:I won't be using the cardboard templates. Bought a 2.0 compliant acrylic set from Curled Paw on Etsy.
Which does not change the fact that one pays for a core-set with all components expected to fulfill quality requirements. After all, just the templates are critical game components.
FFG got some very bad comments on a number of pods regarding offprint firing arcs, but especially templates varying between core sets in 1.0 - I thought they would listen to consumer complaints.
6 hours ago, flooze said:You will need them for barrel rolls and talon rolls, but I guess that can be eyeballed.
On the other side, if you mark your old templates yourself, they will be more precise than the new ones
For casual thats not a problem, but in tournaments I dont want to explain to every opponent why I’m not lining up with the white lines. OTOH, if I do use the lines, it gives me some extra flexibility with barrel roles as I can flip the template and shift the barrel role an extra couple of mm either direction.
I opened a support ticket in any case.
I didn’t look at my copy yet, but the demo kit for one of the local stores had templates where the white lines are visibly off. Not the “oh you notice it when you pick it up,” but the “people playing a different game at the next table can notice it when they turn around”
Yeah, probably only a mm off, but that’s significant when the template is only about 12-13mm wide
Measured mine.
On the sheet with the banks on one side all are slightly off, not much, but measurable. On the other side the 3 bank is really off by over 1mm on one end.
On the other sheet both the 4 and the 5 straight are off center.
These were supposed to be the rulers used in a now-cancelled Scum core set. Very thematic.
Seriously, these could be a source of trouble during tournaments when you suddenly use your official ruler with an off-center "center line" to your benefit. I assume the center line is off to the left on the front side and to the right on the back. Use as convenient.
On 9/12/2018 at 10:47 PM, flooze said:Yeah I have seen that, too
Absolutely expected for me, would be the first time that punchboard comes without tolerance
Expected, but not acceptable. There are punch-board machines with position sensors that improve tolerances with a marginal cost increase. If you design the rulers with a center line, and just use the same loose manufacturing process as before, you are asking for trouble.
Haven't gotten my 2e yet, but when I started out, I had two TFA core sets, and the range rulers were different. Total length was the same, but where the range dividers fell (1-2, 2-3) was about a millimeter different between the two. This seems par for the course, unfortunately.
I submitted a support ticket and attached this pic. They sent me replacements for both of these sheets of cardboard.
The center line on all the templates are important when measuring a bumped maneuver. It's way more accurate and easier to line up 2 points (the hash mark on front and back) then to try to line up 4 points (2 nubs on front and back).
I submitted a request too. I didn't notice until I played my first game and went for a barrel roll. By center line in the 1 straight was more like a 1/4 line. Of course the other templates were affected as well.
I hope my picture with just the templates is satisfactory, I don't think I have the punch boards any more, I think I recycled them.
I have been trying to submit a request since Friday, and the webpage didn't work until an hour ago. Everything is submitted now, so I will see how it goes.
12 minutes ago, Tvboy said:The center line on all the templates are important when measuring a bumped maneuver. It's way more accurate and easier to line up 2 points (the hash mark on front and back) then to try to line up 4 points (2 nubs on front and back).
IME the height difference between the base and the template means you have to have your head directly over the models when using the lines for measuring a blocked manuver. Not a big deal on a low table, very difficult on a high table.
13 minutes ago, Koing907 said:IME the height difference between the base and the template means you have to have your head directly over the models when using the lines for measuring a blocked manuver. Not a big deal on a low table, very difficult on a high table.
Actually you can easily place your head so that the white lines are lined up even if you are at a low angle to the table. The problem you are describing is made much much worse when you are trying to line up 2 nubs with the 2 outer edges of a template on the front and back of the ship.
Some of my templates are REALLY bad. I think one of them even robbed a bank last month!
