6 hours ago, Norsehound said:

I'd send a swarm of Y-Wings, Norra, and Jan to park somewhere in front of it and just open fire. For all that bluster it only has two redirects, let's see how long it'll hold out against what, Nine squadrons of Y-Wings?

If I were serious about this I'd roll out the entire fighter aces support bregade surrounding those 3 B-Wings for Yavaris to tripple tap, rip shields off, and shove the SSD's spine down it throat.

Rebels don't need any specific anti-huge ship counter. They have all they need by the best and most self-suffiicent fighter bombers in the game to kill large ships with attrition. It'll be a contest against any SSD running TIE Interceptors specifically to counter this list type, at least. But as long as rebel crap is cheaper than the Empire it's just a matter of shooting the SSD so many times to either make damage stick or blow through the ship's defense tokens rapidly.

Maybe this is a strong case for Tagge? If this thing deploys like the epic ships in X-Wing, then it legitimately could lose defence tokens in round two (especially if you're burning them because you can get some back).

You'd have to Nav, Nav, Nav but that's doable.

1 hour ago, Jimbo2142 said:

I think it depends on (possible) special rules we may see soon, how this huge whale has to be deployed at the table and how to play (against) it.

For further counter-SSD-thoughts I would assume that:

- 400pts are still our common point limit

- SSD cant change direction without nav-command or Moff Jerry (we even dont now if Jerry works with it)

So we can imagine this huge whale on the table, not able to turn and with just a few squadrons or maybe 1 other small-sized ship around it. This whale with a deadly front arc but the same amount of dice in the back and auxilliary left/right arcs like an Interdictor.

My counter against this monster? Shoot at it. Stay away from the front arc, which seems to will be very easy, and do your job on that big hippo butt. I think 2 MC30c Torpedo frigates at its back would be enough. The only critical aspect of this would be the question whether you provide 22 (or more) damage cards to it before the game ends or not...

Anyway I think the SSD is perfect for custom/narrative games or campaigns, 600-800pts games or for Corellian Conflict campaign - but not for our "standard" 400pts games..

Regards

Jimbo

I like that you signed off at the end there.

2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

What I mean is the CR90s would have to get past the front half of the SSD to avoid likely being instakilled. It is the most maneuverable ship in the game but that's still a challenge, especially with Jerjerrod at the helm...

YOU asked a question where you could not see an answer.

I provided a legitimate answer.

Is that not good enough?

Liberty swarm would be interesting against the ssd. I'm super excited to see what the ssd breeds in terms of tactics against it. I'm also really interested to see how ssd list and play styles evolve. That will play a major part on the list you bring and how you combat the ssd. Speculation on how to fight the ssd, all by itself is cool but the real sauce is what will be with it on the list

17 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

YOU asked a question where you could not see an answer.

I provided a legitimate answer.

Is that not good enough?

I understood his plan, I was implying that you can't repair what is left of a Super Star Destroyer's target.

While some CR90s could get around the dangerous arcs, it's even less likely to get the GR-75s to follow without being perforated with turbolaser shots as it takes only 4 damage and an accuracy.

I see either double MC80s (a pair of either variety) or a dedicated bomber build as the best way to blow up at least the Command Prototype.

2 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I understood his plan, I was implying that you can't repair what is left of a Super Star Destroyer's target.

While some CR90s could get around the dangerous arcs, it's even less likely to get the GR-75s to follow without being perforated with turbolaser shots as it takes only 4 damage and an accuracy.

I see either double MC80s (a pair of either variety) or a dedicated bomber build as the best way to blow up at least the Command Prototype.

You absolutely can... I can tell you from using my mocked up base, it’s VERY easy to dodge it... mostly because you inherently out Deploy and outbactuvate it - if it gets to shoot you with its front arc - and more than red dice - you as the vette player deserve to die, and you will ABSOLUTELY live through that.

At close range? Death.

Ask yourself, how many times have you seen CR90s eat Victory 1 front arc black dice..... I mean, it happens, but such a close shot is ironically such a long shot, and basically, with the ssd, offensively, that’s what we’re talking about - an upgraded victory that has no ability to just turn, but instead hops sideways a base width or two as it does so, havingblittle actual control on its direction of arc.

If you are the sort of player who DOES routinely get Vic1 front arc black dice on Corvettes... You’ll love the SSD, and at the sane time, I applaud you...

... but most of the time, the biggest issue you are going to face with facing an SSD is all the times you DONT face an SSD, because teching to kill it is easy. Teching to outfight everything else ain’t so much ?

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You absolutely can... I can tell you from using my mocked up base, it’s VERY easy to dodge it... mostly because you inherently out Deploy and outbactuvate it - if it gets to shoot you with its front arc - and more than red dice - you as the vette player deserve to die, and you will ABSOLUTELY live through that.

At close range? Death.

Ask yourself, how many times have you seen CR90s eat Victory 1 front arc black dice..... I mean, it happens, but such a close shot is ironically such a long shot, and basically, with the ssd, offensively, that’s what we’re talking about - an upgraded victory that has no ability to just turn, but instead hops sideways a base width or two as it does so, havingblittle actual control on its direction of arc.

If you are the sort of player who DOES routinely get Vic1 front arc black dice on Corvettes... You’ll love the SSD, and at the sane time, I applaud you...

... but most of the time, the biggest issue you are going to face with facing an SSD is all the times you DONT face an SSD, because teching to kill it is easy. Teching to outfight everything else ain’t so much ?

Yup.

Step 1: be in NOT red range. Wait for SSD to activate.

Step 2: Fire on SSD at red range.

Step 3: accelerate into NOT front arc. Kill problems.

Remember, the MAXIMUM Activations an SSD list is going to have is that 4 Mark... Theoretically 5 if they are SUPER stingy with almost no upgrades.

(SSD -2, Gozx2 = 4 with squads)

(SSD-2, ISD/SAd -2, Goz =5, no squads)

And of course, an early activating SSD May have the same issues as an early activating ISD/SAd — it costs an overall activation potentially, since you can’t trigger SAd on an activated ship.....

So avoiding the killbox worst case of having 3 things eating medium range shots in a front SSD arc? If you’re already going all in on MSU, this will not bother you overmuch.

Its more difficult (in experience) for Hammerheads who can’t put on that little bit of extra speed, but Also have the hull (and uogrades) to not be as immediately concerned at the same time.

I retract my original statement Drasnighta... to be honest I'm thinking the SSD is underwhelming ingame if corvettes can render it relatively helpless, anyone else feel the same?

Also I don't know how to tag users...

9 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I retract my original statement Drasnighta... to be honest I'm thinking the SSD is underwhelming ingame if corvettes can render it relatively helpless, anyone else feel the same?

It normally difficult to judge how something will perform before it’s released.

When this thing has new features/rules, no direct comparison, and new Admirals, one of which seems to be made for it, it’s even more difficult.

I’d chill, and wait and see.

7 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I retract my original statement Drasnighta... to be honest I'm thinking the SSD is underwhelming ingame if corvettes can render it relatively helpless, anyone else feel the same?

Also I don't know how to tag users...

Like I said - it’s VERY EASY to be able to Tech against an SSD. If you know it’s coming, it’s done for........ (using my baseplate mock-up since GenCon,I am somewhat shamed to say I’ve had 3 explode on me)

But...

The things that are REALLY good against an SSD, will struggle against, say, Double Cymoon... or Imp MSU, or Other things...

And Vice Versa - an SSD can be very powerful against some of THOSE things.

Its a “Lizard” added to Rock Paper Scissors, making the next variation.

2 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I retract my original statement Drasnighta... to be honest I'm thinking the SSD is underwhelming ingame if corvettes can render it relatively helpless, anyone else feel the same?

Also I don't know how to tag users...

Tagging involves the @ key and the user name.

And it's not underwhelming. It'll have a place, but it's not an unkillable juggernaut and it's not a huge pushover. It's somewhere in the middle, but it'll give the Imps a new viable ship and some new commanders.

I CAN run a bunch of Corvettes at it, but I also need to deal damage BACK while avoiding the worst. If I am able to take it out, I'll need to avoid losing my best ships slash giving up a bunch of points while doing so.

6 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Tagging involves the @ key and the user name.

And it's not underwhelming. It'll have a place, but it's not an unkillable juggernaut and it's not a huge pushover. It's somewhere in the middle, but it'll give the Imps a new viable ship and some new commanders.

I CAN run a bunch of Corvettes at it, but I also need to deal damage BACK while avoiding the worst. If I am able to take it out, I'll need to avoid losing my best ships slash giving up a bunch of points while doing so.

Plus in a tournament scene not everyone will be running specific counters to the SSD list, probably as some bank on bringing the counter to that counter list!

2 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Plus in a tournament scene not everyone will be running specific counters to the SSD list,

I am looking forward to see two SSD lists getting head to head. Not much place to maneuver and two big targets to hit each other.

34 minutes ago, LostFleet said:

I am looking forward to see two SSD lists getting head to head. Not much place to maneuver and two big targets to hit each other.

I'm interested to see how the community reacts to this. Would this happen often enough for people not to take it so they have more interesting lists to fly? Would a carrier SSD lose out to a big-gun SSD (which in turn, loses to max fighter ace builds?)

We won't know until they get here.

If I am a betting man, Admiral Raddus on a large ship, similar to how Rogue Squadron defeated the Lusanka in the Bacta War, they waited till the battle was under way before getting a Star Destroyer and the Alderann war frigate behind it to really mess up its engines and stuff.

12 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Like I said - it’s VERY EASY to be able to Tech against an SSD. If you know it’s coming, it’s done for........ (using my baseplate mock-up since GenCon,I am somewhat shamed to say I’ve had 3 explode on me)

But...

The things that are REALLY good against an SSD, will struggle against, say, Double Cymoon... or Imp MSU, or Other things...

And Vice Versa - an SSD can be very powerful against some of THOSE things.

Its a “Lizard” added to Rock Paper Scissors, making the next variation.

This is another one of those I'll-believe-it-when-I-See-it kind of things. I'm of the opinion (if it wasn't already spelled out clearly from my other posts) that Rebel attrition attacks with massed fighters can burn up any kind of large ship regardless of size... including the SSD. It just requires an extra turn to level that much damage in on a target.

I mean, I'm speaking from experience of repeatedly ramming many lists against a well-flown Rieekan ball. My last go before wave 7 dropped and I gave up would have been a 1 ISD with full aces and 3 gozantis to try reaching activation parity. An SSD is going to cut into that points total I would have invested in those aces, and I don't think either of them would have prevailed over this speed 0 second objective Rieekan camping list. If an ISD-II can't one-shot Yavaris as soon as it's in range, neither will this SSD. And if I were the Yavaris player I'd be practicing on where to place Yavaris in such a way that when the SSD moves, even with one click, it'll have to choose the forward or side arc to shoot the Yavaris with.

I just don't think the ship has the firepower or the fighter command necessary. I'll need to see it and understand why it worked before I can feel satisfied such a thing is possible.

Actually, I get to say look to Canon. Maideen Libertys will do a number on the SSD.

2 ships at its sides. Dont let it turn, let it drive off of the table^^

9 minutes ago, Coldhands said:

2 ships at its sides. Dont let it turn, let it drive off of the table^^

SSD would ram you to stay in the position? Assuming "standard" ramming rules for SSD.

16 minutes ago, Coldhands said:

2 ships at its sides. Dont let it turn, let it drive off of the table^^

Like @noggin said. Fly off the table? No, he would just ram and stay at the place he was.

Damm, took me to long with the answer that i get ninjaed (BY 5 MINUTES ).

Yup, my bad. I think I mixed 4ules with another game.

21 minutes ago, Coldhands said:

Yup, my bad. I think I mixed 4ules with another game.

That means your playing not enough Armada! And too much other games!

Just now, noggin said:

That means your playing not enough Armada! And too much other games!

Can you play enough armada?

Chuck Norris played with every possible list. Twice.

Chuck Norris took MSU Konstantine list to Regionals and won.

Chuck Norris is a little b**** who spent his days getting his butt kicked by Bruce Lee.

Am I doing it wrong?