1 minute ago, DarkArk said:I'm really doubting that any of the force pilots are going to end up in the meta, except maybe Luke but he has effectively infinite force.
I'll go out on a limb.
Luke Skywalker, and Darth Vader will be early meta pilots. Then when CIS/New Republic show up all bets are off with Anakin/Obi-Wan team-ups and Darth Maul/Dooku or Grevious team-ups
10 point force is roughly like the 4 points expertise in 1st Ed
Only 1 focus result, but also on defense and while srtesssed
17 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:I'll go out on a limb.
Luke Skywalker, and Darth Vader will be early meta pilots. Then when CIS/New Republic show up all bets are off with Anakin/Obi-Wan team-ups and Darth Maul/Dooku or Grevious team-ups
No, not Vader. He lost both double reposition and the ability to token up. He's going to be easier to chip to death, since he also didn't get any more hit points for either of those changes, and won't be able to dodge nearly as much as he used to. People will run him because he's Vader and now they don't have to buy a Raider, but I really doubt he's going to make cuts and win major tournaments.
4 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:10 point force is roughly like the 4 points expertise in 1st Ed
Only 1 focus result, but also on defense and while srtesssed
So the force point at ten is more a conjecture of what a generic crew that just gave you one force point would cost. It mostly matches up, but it obviously comes in at more than that for the crew since they also have abilities.
In the instances where they clearly didn't value one force token at ten points, looking mostly at the generic Inquisitor versus the Baron but also Ezra in a TIE, I think it will end up being fairly competitive. But the big name force users cost so much more than their often times higher initiative co-pilots that I just don't see it being worth it. Vader, Kanan, now Kylo. I can't even imagine what Rey is going to cost. None of these ships are going to be competitive against swarms or even efficient four ship lists.
1 hour ago, DarkArk said:So FFG seems to think that a force token is worth about ten points, and I think that's played out here with Kylo being 23 points more than Blackout for the same I and ship. I'm really glad that FFG can change points now because I don't think it's worth that much, especially when virtually all force abilities require you to spend one of those tokens. I'm really doubting that any of the force pilots are going to end up in the meta, except maybe Luke but he has effectively infinite force.
I think you are undervaluing the force token. Every single turn you get a free mini focus, that in many cases is bankable. 10pts (5pts in 1.0) seems pretty good for that if you are right.
If we look at baron of the empire compared to inquisitor its only 6pts (3 in 1.0) and that's fantastic value for a force token every turn.
Dang, those are some cheap TIE/FOs.
I might actually main First Order now...forgive me, Gunboat!
1 hour ago, SabineKey said:I’m definitely glad she made it in. The little I gleaned from the wiki seemed like an interesting scenario I need to look in more fully. But still...I spent a lot of time with QD. And from how she played, a personality formed in my head.
Anyway, I’ll get over it. But I do agree, having a pilot from actual lore is nice.
Well, she’ll have a subtitle that might be more acceptable. If not, I’m all for @Forgottenlore ‘s suggestion of Tina, in keeping with a previously established naming system.
You should read the Phasma comic book, it's a quick read, a good tie-in between Episode 7 and 8 and flesh out Phasma a little bit more. There is also a nod to the book in it.
I personnally really liked TN-3465 character and I'm really glad she made it into the game!
It's possible the list is incomplete, but it does not match up with officially released information- The Tie/FO has 9 Unique pilots and 3 generics . So my gut says this is either an old, incomplete mockup from playtesting, or a hoax.
EDIT: FFG kept the Greek Letter Squadrons , which are not listed here. This is almost definitely a hoax. EDIT: The Mynock Facebook page found a bunch of subtle errors in this supposed "leak." Just a hoax, nothing to see here.
Ah. That's interesting.
1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:Fine, her real name is stupid then, find something more tabletop friendly than a serial number, maybe something like "Quickdraw".
sounds like she may land with the code name "quickdraw". i'd be ok with that.
33 minutes ago, Squark said:It's possible the list is incomplete, but it does not match up with officially released information- The Tie/FO has 9 Unique pilots and 3 generics . So my gut says this is either an old, incomplete mockup from playtesting, or a hoax.
EDIT: FFG kept the Greek Letter Squadrons , which are not listed here. This is almost definitely a hoax. EDIT: The Mynock Facebook page found a bunch of subtle errors in this supposed "leak." Just a hoax, nothing to see here.
Ah, good eye.
Even though the printed list is a hoax, TN-3465 will be a Tie/FO pilot (see the threat card in the FFG image).
Just now, jkl said:Even though the printed list is a hoax, TN-3465 will be a Tie/FO pilot (see the threat card in the FFG image).
It was pretty well constructed, for a hoax. Good attention to detail.
My tentative impression of the Tie/FO pilots based on the anouncement article and photos from the Gencon preview is that we're getting three brand new named pilots from the comics and novels (Commander Malarus, Lieutenant Rivas, and TN-3465) as well as the six we already have. The old pilots will be getting callsigns with their old name in the smallprint. Three have already been revealed; Omega Leader is "Midnight", Epsilon Leader is "Muse", and Zeta Ace is "Longshot", although the latter two have had their abilities changed. Drastically so, in Zeta Ace's case.
3 hours ago, Cgriffith said:I understand the immediate reaction to the 90 point mark for Kylo Ren but what we don't know is his talent, how many force charges he has (my guess is 3) and in comparison his father is 92 as a baseline. It's a medium base as well.
I think one of the images showed part of the Kylo Silencer art, I think the image from the back of the conversion set's box, and he keeps the ISYTDS ability but now has to spend a force token to assign it to who attacked him. And considering he will likely be the strongest force user for the FO he will likely have 3 Force tokens. Oh and as someone mentioned before it will be on a small base.
2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:Fine, her real name is stupid then, find something more tabletop friendly than a serial number, maybe something like "Quickdraw".
Hopefully her subtitle will be easier to say or as someone else suggested I think the community will give her the name "Tina" to make it easier to refer to her.
2 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:I think one of the images showed part of the Kylo Silencer art, I think the image from the back of the conversion set's box, and he keeps the ISYTDS ability but now has to spend a force token to assign it to who attacked him. And considering he will likely be the strongest force user for the FO he will likely have 3 Force tokens. Oh and as someone mentioned before it will be on a small base.
Hopefully her subtitle will be easier to say or as someone else suggested I think the community will give her the name "Tina" to make it easier to refer to her.
Kylo has two force.
2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:Fine, her real name is stupid then, find something more tabletop friendly than a serial number,
I’ve always had the same problem with the droids. No idea what the names of most of the unique ones do, much less matching ability to name.
4 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:Kylo has two force.
If that is the case I imagine Rey will likewise have 2 and means that the ST era factions will likely be the weakest in terms of force user pilots whereas the OT ones have at least 1 three force pilot with the PT ones possibly have a couple pilots with 3 force.
2 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:I’ve always had the same problem with the droids. No idea what the names of most of the unique ones do, much less matching ability to name.
Out of curiosity, then would you prefer the old method of R-series astromechs with their last two digits being different like how they were before the PT and really Clone Wars or the method of giving them random letters and numbers as we see with the droids Clone Wars on?
7 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:I’ve always had the same problem with the droids. No idea what the names of most of the unique ones do, much less matching ability to name.
Even R5-TK?
10 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:O u t o f curiosi ty, then would you prefer the old method of R-series astromechs with their last two digits being different
Was that a thing?
7 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:Even R5-TK?
Just a random string of 4 digits.
Astromechs start with “R” in the OT (and pretty sure ST, was there ever more than R2 and one other droid named in the prequels?), and I know that in legends the number after the R was effectively a version number. The E-Wings needed a particular type, right (Either R5s or R7s)?
4 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:Was that a thing?
Just a random string of 4 digits.
Astromechs start with “R” in the OT (and pretty sure ST, was there ever more than R2 and one other droid named in the prequels?), and I know that in legends the number after the R was effectively a version number. The E-Wings needed a particular type, right (Either R5s or R7s)?
Must not have built Scum much.
R5-TK is the Astro that lets Scum shoot other Scum. R5-
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1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:Was that a thing?
Very much so, the droids were broken down into groups. R2s being the astromechs like R2-D2, R3s having clear domes, R4s having the conical/lampshade shaped head, R5s having the head we see on R5-D4. There are R6s, R7s, R8s, and R9s too and they all had different shaped heads with the R7s and R8s (I believe) having different panel layouts on their bodies. So it was a case of the first two letters for them being the type of droid and the last two digits being their specific identification so that they stood out from the others in their line.
Lucas in the PT switched this up with the Jedi having a R4 astromech with a R2 dome on Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter with the explanation, by people dealing with the lore and books, as an R4 astromech that had been damaged and then had its head replaced with a R2 dome. Then in Clone Wars we get R7s and R8s being used for other R series droids but they are clearly R2 units and the R6+ line weren't even built and sold until past ROTJ. And it has been that way sense so instead of having droids having part of their name being related to their model number they can be pretty much whatever with the current explanation being that droids are just refereed to a small part of their ID code.
10 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:Astromechs start with “R” in the OT (and pretty sure ST, was there ever more than R2 and one other droid named in the prequels?), and I know that in legends the number after the R was effectively a version number. The E-Wings needed a particular type, right (Either R5s or R7s)?
The ST has kept them mostly to the R-series though they don't stick to it all that much like how we have M9-G8 which is an R4 astromech with the same paint scheme as R4-M9 from ANH. Fun fact, all the astromechs seen in the background of the D'qar scenes are astromechs with the same paintschemes as those used by the Rebels in ANH, aside from R2-KT which is a long story. As for the Prequels not sure about in the films, if they named anyone aside from Obi-Wan's astromech, though they name a bunch in Clone Wars. And E-Wings specifically needed the R7s.
R2s were great generalists, R3s were used for tactical data and military work on star ships, R4s were cheap and meant for farmers and the like, R5s were crappier R2s, R6s were a good succesor to R2s, R7s were overspeced and expensive and mostly used for E-Wings, R8s were good at jamming if I remember correctly, and R9s I can't remember their main use off hand aside from maybe being mroe complex astromechs.
3 hours ago, LHyoda said:And what if ISYTDS didn't change? That could be a good chunk of his pricing.
More likely that it did change and is a good chunk of his pricing because ISYTDS is not a good ability, even with the changes.
The Upsilon pricing also suggests it is still a 4 dice primary which doesn’t seem to fit with the ship ability.
52 minutes ago, DodgingArcs said:More likely that it did change and is a good chunk of his pricing because ISYTDS is not a good ability, even with the changes.
The Upsilon pricing also suggests it is still a 4 dice primary which doesn’t seem to fit with the ship ability.
ISYTDS got better as you don’t need to be hit to use it, just attacked
1 hour ago, RoockieBoy said:ISYTDS got better as you don’t need to be hit to use it, just attacked
Well Kylo’s ability got better for sure, but we don’t know what ISYTDS does. If it does the same then I believe it got worse. It worked before because of Blinded Pilot and sometimes PS0. Neither exist anymore. The pilot crits are much tamer than the rest of the deck.
I’m still hopeful the condition has been changed and simplified, but we’ll find out soon enough
6 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:Fine, her real name is stupid then, find something more tabletop friendly than a serial number, maybe something like "Quickdraw".
I agree. Quickdraw or Tina sound good.
I also like TN, sort of like Tea-En (as in en on energy)
