36 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

No the problem is YOU dont have anything substantial to add besides a yes. This is a forum for discussion and all you can mange to type out is a simple "Yes". Come on man, VOICE your thoughts on a subject, and stop being afraid to explain WHY you wrote yes....or no, otherwise you just look like a sheep nodding in the crowd for no reason because the person next to you is.

Yes

5 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

No the problem is YOU dont have anything substantial to add besides a yes. This is a forum for discussion and all you can mange to type out is a simple "Yes". Come on man, VOICE your thoughts on a subject, and stop being afraid to explain WHY you wrote yes....or no, otherwise you just look like a sheep nodding in the crowd for no reason because the person next to you is.

If you wanted elaboration ask next time don't immediately go for the jackass insult

On 9/9/2018 at 6:20 AM, Drasnighta said:

Yes, because there was nothing controversial in that...

It had a lower rate.

10 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

No the problem is YOU dont have anything substantial to add besides a yes. This is a forum for discussion and all you can mange to type out is a simple "Yes". Come on man, VOICE your thoughts on a subject, and stop being afraid to explain WHY you wrote yes....or no, otherwise you just look like a sheep nodding in the crowd for no reason because the person next to you is.

Wait, the whole thing doesnt fit anymore if he would have wrote "no" which is the same just with a opposing value. So you whole point does not follow logic.

I'd like them to stop mixing not-releasing ships with not-communicating about future releases...

any releases will be good, canon, EU, New-tri

just something, please?

I understand why they would want to use canon stuff, it is more recognizable and will boost overall sales so I don't have any problem with that; but I'd hope they would release some EU/Legends stuff when they want to release a ship for a role that is not really depicted with the new canon. And sometimes even instead of the new stuff considering that ugly Star Destroyer that was made up for Solo that ended up getting cut.

On 9/9/2018 at 2:27 AM, Norsehound said:

The Legends-craft FFG pulls from, I think, needs to be approved by LFL, and FFG needs to pursuade LFL that there's a gameplay reason for using those EU ships. As far as I know, Nym was not strictly canonical before the Scurrg's inclusion in X-Wing (Or Armada for that matter). He comes from a forgettable pre-clone wars game made around the time of Episode I. The only reason he's in the Galactic Civil War is because Star Wars Galaxies was desperate for content, so they dragged him into the stage.

Nym was mostly known as being in Star Wars Starfighter and perhaps a little more notable Star Wars Jedi Starfighter. He was always one of the cooler parts of the game, had a fair bit of personality to him so I'm happy that he ended up showing up in X-Wing and Armada.

18 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Technically... the Venator is Episode 3 and not one of the "original trilogy" movies. Wingless Liberty falls through the cracks so much I doubt it'll be actually used as a variant (fly a Home One type if you want something like it ? ). The Dornean/Braha'tok is likely given the creators went out of their way to depict this ship in Rebels and Rogue One, wheras before it was one of the many forgettable spaceships flying around in RotJ.

That's still the big question of the moment though, where to go from here.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Dornean Gunship (in spite of even more fantastic rebel light ships!) vs the Arrestor cruiser. If the Rebels get a decent combat flotilla (under current flotilla limitation rules! It might just work), I'd like to see the Empire get a cheaper fleet command ship or a tankier fleet support upgrade ship that maybe carries 2 of them. With the honking radar dishes and spindly construction it feels more like an EWAC/support ship, and more significant of a starship than the IGV-55 i'm-a-gozanti-flotilla-with-slicer-tools-WYSIWYG.

Alternatively I wouldn't mind the Imperial Support ship either. It's a one episode wonder we know little about, but with discussing recently if the Empire could use a CR-90 standin, the Imperial Support Ship could be that vessel.

I'd love the Venator, though they might hold that back for Clone Wars factions if the expansion into that era goes well for X-Wing and Legion. I imagine the Wingless Liberty is really low on priority when they already have two variants of the MC-80. I think we will definitely get the Braha'tok at somepoint, and am curious to see what its Imperial equivalent will be. And I know I'd love to see the Imperial Support ship if for no other reason to get the Dreadnaught in the game in one form or another.

If we divided the ships that we see on the big screen,

Rebels have 7 ships that are portrayed in the films and 3 that are not ( MC-30, AF Mkii and Pelta)

Empire have 2 ships that are portrayed on the big screen ( ISD and Gozanti ) and the rest 7 all come from non-movie sources ( EU, RPG, Computer Games, Rebels and etc)

Now for Canon ( incuding Rebels and etc) Empire closes the gap

Rebels have 8 ships vs 2 non-canon ( Mc30, AfMkii )

Empire have 7 ships vs 2 non-canon ( VSD and Gladiator - Gladiator used to be considered Canon due to its role in Droids )

( both list exclude SSD, which is yet to be released, did not count squadrons and characters yet)

So if I just watch the movies, I wouldn't know about VSD, if I watch other Canon stuff that were released I would still don't know about VSD, however for me VSD is as real as ISD and its existence makes the game authentic for me. Some of the Legends stuff really belongs to SW universe and they should be considered to be in the same level with Canon stuff.

I agree at the current release pace, there is little reason to dip into Legends.

That being said, I'd love to see stuff from that pool. Especially the video game stuff. I think that 30-50 y/o demographic is probably the target audience with the right amount of disposable income to buy it. And we played those games in the 90's. Especially if they need stuff to help mold where they're taking the meta.

Absolutely! With all the ships that were name dropped early in the new Canon books a lot of the EU ships are Canon again, in name at least. I would prefer FFG stay away from creating their own ships, especially with all the amazing things Fractal Sponge has created. It wouldn't be the first time his work was canonized by LFL.

1 hour ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Absolutely! With all the ships that were name dropped early in the new Canon books a lot of the EU ships are Canon again, in name at least. I would prefer FFG stay away from creating their own ships, especially with all the amazing things Fractal Sponge has created. It wouldn't be the first time his work was canonized by LFL.

Not to mention the Assault Gunboat's design in X-Wing is Fractal's and the ship is now canon again...though was used by the Rebellion.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-class_Xg-1_Star_Wing/Canon

55 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Not to mention the Assault Gunboat's design in X-Wing is Fractal's and the ship is now canon again...though was used by the Rebellion.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-class_Xg-1_Star_Wing/Canon

What is with this trend of Imperial ships/squadrons in Legends being added to Canon as Rebel ships/squadrons?

25 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

What is with this trend of Imperial ships/squadrons in Legends being added to Canon as Rebel ships/squadrons?

LFL's Rebel bias?

I’d say mix freely. I like the idea of names on some key officers and the EU is full of names which offer thematic design options. Likewise, the EU offers a lot of ship options to add the the Rebellion and the Empire, and the EU sources continue to influence the writers of canon material, so who’s to say this ship or that character DON’T belong?

Basing the game around the Galactic Civil War means that we could easily see Mara Jade as the Emperor’s Hand, but it implies nothing about her role later in a new Jedi Order or the New Republic. Kind of like Rebels reintroducing Thrawn and Rukh, with a reference to Pellaeon, yet this does not mean that the events of Heir to the Empire are canonical.

On 9/9/2018 at 7:46 PM, xanderf said:

Disney does right every now and then. The U-Wing from 'Rogue One', for example, is gorgeous. It fits perfectly in style with the other core Star Wars ships from that era, and as primarily a transport, has a perfectly reasonable explanation for why we haven't seen it before (the Rebels really weren't doing much of that work in the main movies). And the Zeta-class shuttle from that movie also a decent take on a 'heavy transport' still clearly inspired by the Lambda-class, but obviously also quite distinct.

Eh, at the rate FFG is releasing models of 1-2 a year, we've still got a few years of Imperial and Rebel ships left from the "original movies" era before we run out (and in demand, too - the Imperial Venator, Rebel 'wingless Liberty', and Dornean gunship all things that come up every time the topic is discussed - nevermind the Tector-class, which hopefully FFG could do something interesting with, and Imperial Support Vessel from 'Rebels').

Ehhm, you do know why Disney is bringing up new ships all the time? Most with slightly difference? (HEY, cool, and new Falcon with the lifeboat in the front. Now this explain everything....)

Disney is a company. Their main goal is profit. New ships -> new merchandise -> new stuff to sell -> more money.

They could have used the same X-Wings and TIE Fighters in EP VII + VIII without any problems. They could have even used the old Legend stuff that was already available. Same in Rogue One and Solo. But they changed them, they came up with new ships. And the reason is not some canon or background stuff (even if some think it). It is pure profit. Or why do you think do we have 4-5 different Imperial Shuttles (alone from the films).

For us (X-Wing and Armada player) it has a nice side effect. We get a good source for new ships, and dont have to recycle the same ships over and over with special sets (just another ISD, just a new Veteran Pack, ...). And for us it would have been no difference if they are from Canon or from Legend.

And Disney is not stupid. They know that there are some Legend stuff that is really popular (Thrawn for example). They will use these, as long as it promise profit.

Don't get me wrong. I am full behind this. I really want that my hobby is being supported by the publisher and want new stuff (hint to FFG, new ships please )

1 hour ago, Tokra said:

Or why do you think do we have 4-5 different Imperial Shuttles (alone from the films).

Because Cygnus Spaceworks has a VERY lucrative deal to create greek alphabet shuttles?