Someone could get the exact percentage, but it feels like Armada has a 60/40 blend of Canon and Legends respectively. In your opinion should FFG continue to take content from the EU? The one thing that I am unsure of is whether or not FFG's actions can Canonize old material, from my limited understanding Disney has a "everything since the takeover is Canon" approach.

Bonus question is should FFG create completely original ships and squadrons like the Raider was?

Just now, Piratical Moustache said:

Someone could get the exact percentage, but it feels like Armada has a 60/40 blend of Canon and Legends respectively. In your opinion should FFG continue to take content from the EU? The one thing that I am unsure of is whether or not FFG's actions can Canonize old material, from my limited understanding Disney has a "everything since the takeover is Canon" approach.

Bonus question is should FFG create completely original ships and squadrons like the Raider was?

It does not.

At least, as I understand it, it was stated that media created (and somewhat limited to Book, Comic, Movie) were Canon... But Computer games are actually a bit of a grey area... Because generally speaking, the experiences are not, but a lot of their stories can be - as they form part of that 'media' aspect.

But no mention of tabletop or Board games exists in the canonicity standards (at least when I read them back in '14...

24 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

It does not.

At least, as I understand it, it was stated that media created (and somewhat limited to Book, Comic, Movie) were Canon... But Computer games are actually a bit of a grey area... Because generally speaking, the experiences are not, but a lot of their stories can be - as they form part of that 'media' aspect.

But no mention of tabletop or Board games exists in the canonicity standards (at least when I read them back in '14...

Well that kind of stinks but ok.

You didn't give an opinion if Armada should continue to blend the continuities together. I think that FFG should, there's a lot of ships the Imperials could use in the EU, especially in the Small-Medium range.

There is also a lot of CINO (Canon In Name Only) ships that FFG could use like the Carrack.

I discovered Star wars on VCR. I learned about its univers reading RPG books. These were full of ships created for the occasion. And it was cool.

I never read any EU novels, but they brought some new things to Star wars. Among which Thrawn. And that was pretty cool.

At some point, canon began mattering. Which is crazy to me. I mean, pretty early on, star wars turned to a universe where furballs not even 3 feet high could stun stormtrooper by throwing stones. From the highest canonical source possible, the original trilogy.

So, I think we should be cool and go easy with that canon concept. FFG have the licence. If it allows them to create new ships, they should. Design might suck. It might be awesome. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time a non movie source would enrich the universe. And that's a good thing.

41 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

You didn't give an opinion if Armada should continue to blend the continuities together.

Mostly because, as I have no actual ability to make a difference in the subject, I don’t... care?

I don’t understand what rules FFG has to play by.

They used non canon stuff before Disney but it seems like that has changed now.

It seems like we may see stuff in Armada that had FFG involvement pre Disney, eg: Assault Gunboat, but we won’t ever see anything from Dark Empire etc

FFGs rules are easy:

”Everything must be approved by Disney and/or Lucasfilm Limited.”

...

Now, what the rules are on approvals on THAT end, that’s the difficult question! ?

I prefer to have those ships we saw in the movies. But, sort of we run out of them(exept for those which were there for seconds in the background). I dont mind eu content at all, as long as it has the star wars feeling. My personal opinion on Raider: I see it has the elements of imperial ships, but meh. But, not every ship can be as iconic as the isd, so im ok with that.

What I really love to see is the original creators for the sw ships created some new. Simply, they did very good jobs when creating the original spacecrafts. Current artists try to copy them, their style, but something always missing. ****, those models used for filming had souls! Sadly that team is probaly retired, enjoying their well deserved retirment.

Well considering that we have so little to add from the latest trilogy thus far, i find it likely that they'll add stuff from the EU to keep the game going. And i have no problem with that ?

Considering how Disney have handled the "Cannon" since they got it, they should ignore ALL of it, and only accept Legends material

Yes, because there was nothing controversial in that...

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Yes, because there was nothing controversial in that...

#Corranbelongsinanewing

The Legends-craft FFG pulls from, I think, needs to be approved by LFL, and FFG needs to pursuade LFL that there's a gameplay reason for using those EU ships. As far as I know, Nym was not strictly canonical before the Scurrg's inclusion in X-Wing (Or Armada for that matter). He comes from a forgettable pre-clone wars game made around the time of Episode I. The only reason he's in the Galactic Civil War is because Star Wars Galaxies was desperate for content, so they dragged him into the stage.

Someone at FFG/LFL really wanted the Scurrg in spite of all that, so here we are.

As far as I know that's the latest EU entity added to Armada that wasn't canon in some way, shape or form. The last ship was the MC30, from Empire at War but around the universe for a long time thanks to it being essentially concept art from Return of the Jedi.

As for me, I do wish more Legends stuff can show up in canon (itching for the VSD to make a proper appearance). I don't miss the Carrack, Dreadnought, or Lancer much because I like the flashier Raider replacing all three of them. The closest we'll get to any of those ships coming, I think, will be the Imperial Support vessel that squeaked into Rebels in the very last episode. It's so vague in design it could be either the Carrack or the Dreadnought, since they look so similar to one another.

Give it time, though. More and more vessels and ships out of Legends are gradually trickling in to the universe. While I'm not sure I like the TIE/D being Thrawn's brainchild over a wundewaffen of Endor being used against the Empire, I appreciate its return to the universe.

20 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Someone could get the exact percentage, but it feels like Armada has a 60/40 blend of Canon and Legends respectively. In your opinion should FFG continue to take content from the EU? The one thing that I am unsure of is whether or not FFG's actions can Canonize old material, from my limited understanding Disney has a "everything since the takeover is Canon" approach.

Bonus question is should FFG create completely original ships and squadrons like the Raider was?

This game really has all I wished for, and yet I badly want Mara in there. And a lot of the ships from Rebellion / Supremacy.

Its not going to happen, I know. Peace.

Another data collection activity?

With so many teaser questions like this you better just announce Clone Wars already! ?

If you're not secretly an FFG designer, then i really wonder where all these questions are leading to!

21 hours ago, Coldhands said:

What I really love to see is the original creators for the sw ships created some new. Simply, they did very good jobs when creating the original spacecrafts. Current artists try to copy them, their style, but something always missing. ****, those models used for filming had souls! Sadly that team is probaly retired, enjoying their well deserved retirment.

Disney does right every now and then. The U-Wing from 'Rogue One', for example, is gorgeous. It fits perfectly in style with the other core Star Wars ships from that era, and as primarily a transport, has a perfectly reasonable explanation for why we haven't seen it before (the Rebels really weren't doing much of that work in the main movies). And the Zeta-class shuttle from that movie also a decent take on a 'heavy transport' still clearly inspired by the Lambda-class, but obviously also quite distinct.

17 hours ago, idiewell said:

Well considering that we have so little to add from the latest trilogy thus far, i find it likely that they'll add stuff from the EU to keep the game going. And i have no problem with that ?

Eh, at the rate FFG is releasing models of 1-2 a year, we've still got a few years of Imperial and Rebel ships left from the "original movies" era before we run out (and in demand, too - the Imperial Venator, Rebel 'wingless Liberty', and Dornean gunship all things that come up every time the topic is discussed - nevermind the Tector-class, which hopefully FFG could do something interesting with, and Imperial Support Vessel from 'Rebels').

27 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Eh, at the rate FFG is releasing models of 1-2 a year, we've still got a few years of Imperial and Rebel ships left from the "original movies" era before we run out (and in demand, too - the Imperial Venator, Rebel 'wingless Liberty', and Dornean gunship all things that come up every time the topic is discussed - nevermind the Tector-class, which hopefully FFG could do something interesting with, and Imperial Support Vessel from 'Rebels').

Technically... the Venator is Episode 3 and not one of the "original trilogy" movies. Wingless Liberty falls through the cracks so much I doubt it'll be actually used as a variant (fly a Home One type if you want something like it ? ). The Dornean/Braha'tok is likely given the creators went out of their way to depict this ship in Rebels and Rogue One, wheras before it was one of the many forgettable spaceships flying around in RotJ.

That's still the big question of the moment though, where to go from here.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Dornean Gunship (in spite of even more fantastic rebel light ships!) vs the Arrestor cruiser. If the Rebels get a decent combat flotilla (under current flotilla limitation rules! It might just work), I'd like to see the Empire get a cheaper fleet command ship or a tankier fleet support upgrade ship that maybe carries 2 of them. With the honking radar dishes and spindly construction it feels more like an EWAC/support ship, and more significant of a starship than the IGV-55 i'm-a-gozanti-flotilla-with-slicer-tools-WYSIWYG.

Alternatively I wouldn't mind the Imperial Support ship either. It's a one episode wonder we know little about, but with discussing recently if the Empire could use a CR-90 standin, the Imperial Support Ship could be that vessel.

On 9/8/2018 at 10:57 AM, Coranhann said:

I discovered Star wars on VCR. I learned about its univers reading RPG books. These were full of ships created for the occasion. And it was cool.

I never read any EU novels, but they brought some new things to Star wars. Among which Thrawn. And that was pretty cool.

At some point, canon began mattering. Which is crazy to me. I mean, pretty early on, star wars turned to a universe where furballs not even 3 feet high could stun stormtrooper by throwing stones. From the highest canonical source possible, the original trilogy.

So, I think we should be cool and go easy with that canon concept. FFG have the licence. If it allows them to create new ships, they should. Design might suck. It might be awesome. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time a non movie source would enrich the universe. And that's a good thing.

Hey, even with a helmet, getting beamed in the head with a rock is going to stun you. I speak from experience as 15 year Army vet. Our body armor will stop a bullet, but you will probably end up with a major bruise or even broken ribs. Same idea, no broken skull but I'd bet credits that those stormtroopers received a concussion.

2 minutes ago, Salted Diamond said:

Same idea, no broken skull but I'd bet credits that those stormtroopers received a concussion.

Not that it matters since they probably ended up as soup.

3 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Technically... the Venator is Episode 3 and not one of the "original trilogy" movies. Wingless Liberty falls through the cracks so much I doubt it'll be actually used as a variant (fly a Home One type if you want something like it ? ). The Dornean/Braha'tok is likely given the creators went out of their way to depict this ship in Rebels and Rogue One, wheras before it was one of the many forgettable spaceships flying around in RotJ.

That's still the big question of the moment though, where to go from here.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Dornean Gunship (in spite of even more fantastic rebel light ships!) vs the Arrestor cruiser. If the Rebels get a decent combat flotilla (under current flotilla limitation rules! It might just work), I'd like to see the Empire get a cheaper fleet command ship or a tankier fleet support upgrade ship that maybe carries 2 of them. With the honking radar dishes and spindly construction it feels more like an EWAC/support ship, and more significant of a starship than the IGV-55 i'm-a-gozanti-flotilla-with-slicer-tools-WYSIWYG.

Alternatively I wouldn't mind the Imperial Support ship either. It's a one episode wonder we know little about, but with discussing recently if the Empire could use a CR-90 standin, the Imperial Support Ship could be that vessel.

I already made ship designs for the Imperial Support Vessel and a Dreadnought version I think can work.

Yes

2 hours ago, chr335 said:

Yes

Typical sheep...

10 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

Typical sheep...

What the **** does me liking the continued use of canon and legends material have to do with me being an unthinking follower of a herd. Do you have anything substantial to add as to why mixing legends and canon is bad or are you just being a worthless troll?

35 minutes ago, chr335 said:

What the **** does me liking the continued use of canon and legends material have to do with me being an unthinking follower of a herd. Do you have anything substantial to add as to why mixing legends and canon is bad or are you just being a worthless troll?

No the problem is YOU dont have anything substantial to add besides a yes. This is a forum for discussion and all you can mange to type out is a simple "Yes". Come on man, VOICE your thoughts on a subject, and stop being afraid to explain WHY you wrote yes....or no, otherwise you just look like a sheep nodding in the crowd for no reason because the person next to you is.