14 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Wow this thread had turned into a bashing session. If its cathartic and helps you vent I guess it is better than letting your ire at how it was portrayed in TLJ eat you from within. If not... Whats the point y'all doing this?

"Portrayed in TLJ". Sorry, but a spade is a spade (not a shovel, for the racially minded). It did what it said on the box, to quote some advert.

If a small TIE mob can massacre them, they need to be around 50pts each in 2.0. Give 'em stats to match cost. What is the problem? This is not hatred, it is truth. You just have to spend a bit more money...

12 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Wow this thread had turned into a bashing session. If its cathartic and helps you vent I guess it is better than letting your ire at how it was portrayed in TLJ eat you from within. If not... Whats the point y'all doing this?

I don't think this has anything to do with opinions of TLJ on the whole.

Positive or negative, it's hard for anyone who has ever paid attention to the starfighters and light transport scale ships of Star Wars (i.e most people who are drawn to X-Wing) not to see the Resistance bomber as being anything other than incredibly bad at its job.

If this was the first time we'd ever seen a space battle in Star Wars, it might have been okay. One bomber technically succeeded, and you could understand they're just built to take heavy casualties, but annihilate their target if even just one makes it.

But we've already seen small, nippy X-Wings take out whole Death Stars with just a pair of carefully placed torpedoes. We've seen tiny A-Wings destroy sensor domes, drop bridge shields and take out the biggest ship in the Imperial Navy by crashing into it. Only a year before, Rogue One gave us Y-Wing strafing runs with Ion Torpedoes that disabled a Star Destroyer. There's a Star Destroyer fireballing in the background of one of the shots in RotJ, and we were told in supplemental material that was the work of the B-Wings. All these smaller, faster ships did the job the bomber was trying to do better .

The bombers just don't have anything cool going for them. They're big, they're ugly, they're slow, they deliver ordnance in a way that seems incredibly primitive even for Star Wars. They crumple under small scale fire from just a handful of TIE Fighters. They're reliant on a smaller, faster ship clearing out defensive cannons first. If there'd been even a few quick shots of the turrets blasting out a hail of defensive fire like the flak barrier in Battlestar Galactica it might have all been worth it, because that would have been cool.

There's parts of TLJ I really like, but the Bomber just isn't one of them. It sucks, and I hate it. I would much rather have seen more ANH style dogfight shots with Tallie in the A-Wing.

3 hours ago, Larky Bobble said:

That's where I beg to disagree. If ships bear no resemblance, gamewise, to their movie counterpart, then in this particular game, it sucks. Star Wars is too evocative, and I wouldn't be playing if Xwings weren't Xwings etc...

There's nothing wrong with having a financially expensive low points cost ship in the game. They could even set the points low enough to make it competitive and make MORE money!

Well then, that's where you're objectively wrong

Gameplay is the highest priority of the... game . Otherwise, it'd just get lost in the sea of sub-par star wars games that the incredibly popular license has spawned.

The bomber can be inspired a little by its movie appearance, i.e it's slow and clunky and just not very good at straight up fighting, but no one would ever play something as so prodigiously useless as the ship portrayed in the movie

Which is why the "trailer" argument holds. It's all open to the imagination. The trash part was a joke about not being objectively able to play the ship as shown. Personally, if I had the cash, I'd love to field a line of eight of them, with T 70s, in a game of 300pt epic 1.0 and watch 'em burn, one by one. It's the sort of challenge I love!

But that's the dark side for you...