Arquitens Rant

By LordCola, in Star Wars: Armada

Just now, LordCola said:

Oh, my bad. That Idea seemed so outlandish to me that I didn't even consider it. Where I play the meta has escalated to a lot of player using max squad. I don't think it would be a good idea to replace all the squads with an ISD.

Do you think one lambda is enough for the objectives? Also that does not add up. Your squads plus 1 lambda plus my ships end up at 406 points.

Any suggestions where I can find them?

........... the Nova and Gencon battle report threads.....

2 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

........... the Nova and Gencon battle report threads.....

Intel Sweep. Paging @Captain Weather , and for once I'm not referencing my own blog!

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1 minute ago, geek19 said:

Intel Sweep. Paging @Captain Weather , and for once I'm not referencing my own blog!

Unless Intel Sweep is just another of the many front's for CGYSO ameobic shadow government.

I didn't say anything about the objectives. You're right that the farm objectives like that won't work without the Lambdas. I'd suggest bringing NO lambdas.

2 minutes ago, rasproteus said:

I didn't say anything about the objectives. You're right that the farm objectives like that won't work without the Lambdas. I'd suggest bringing NO lambdas.

Ok, why is that and what other objectives would you suggest instead?

1 hour ago, BrobaFett said:

Unless Intel Sweep is just another of the many front's for CGYSO ameobic shadow government.

"The reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation, and CGYSO, have worked together to eliminate all non-breakfast food options, resulting in people being forced to eat ONLY breakfast at Armada tournaments. Their breakfasts are usually laced with mind control drugs, which then results in people playing Admirals like Ozzel and Leia."

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

14 minutes ago, geek19 said:

"The reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation, and CGYSO, have worked together to eliminate all non-breakfast food options, resulting in people being forced to eat ONLY breakfast at Armada tournaments. Their breakfasts are usually laced with mind control drugs, which then results in people playing Admirals like Ozzel and Leia."

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

I like Ozzel and Leia.

27 minutes ago, geek19 said:

"The reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation, and CGYSO, have worked together to eliminate all non-breakfast food options, resulting in people being forced to eat ONLY breakfast at Armada tournaments. Their breakfasts are usually laced with mind control drugs, which then results in people playing Admirals like Ozzel and Leia."

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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SOMEONE POISONED THE PANCAKES

2 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

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SOMEONE POISONED THE PANCAKES

When will Biggs save us from this Breakfast Nightmare and lead us to the fabled Armada Breakfast land?

Just now, Do I need a Username said:

When will Biggs save us from this Breakfast Nightmare and lead us to the fabled Armada Breakfast land? 

Joke's on you! @BiggsIRL organized the Worlds Armada breakfast earlier this year only to miss out on it and eat breakfast with @geek19 and me! He's already part of the conspiracy!

1 minute ago, Snipafist said:

Joke's on you! @BiggsIRL organized the Worlds Armada breakfast earlier this year only to miss out on it and eat breakfast with @geek19 and me! He's already part of the conspiracy!

11 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

Joke's on you! @BiggsIRL organized the Worlds Armada breakfast earlier this year only to miss out on it and eat breakfast with @geek19 and me! He's already part of the conspiracy!

I wondered where Bigg's was day 2. Also you are all now dead to me.

1 hour ago, geek19 said:

"The reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation, and CGYSO, have worked together to eliminate all non-breakfast food options, resulting in people being forced to eat ONLY breakfast at Armada tournaments. Their breakfasts are usually laced with mind control drugs, which then results in people playing Admirals like Ozzel and Leia."

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

I'm only on board if the drugs also force you to use the Navigate command.

3 minutes ago, Captain Weather said:

I'm only on board if the drugs also force you to use the Navigate command.

That means we gotta get @Crabbok to one of these breakfasts.

I just want to say I agree with everything that has been said here, he Arquitens is my favorite small Imperial ship. I really think the biggest weakness of the Arquitens is its dependence on its single evade, it is the only defense token the Arquitens has that keeps damage "off" of the ship. This issue is only increased by its nav chart as the chart makes it hard to stay at long range from on coming ships. It seams like a lot of peoples frustration is they feel that they ether have to take JJ have to spam the nav command and really that is simply not true. Aside from saying "Git Gud" and learn when you can nav and when you can sneak in another command, witch will really help the Arquitens shine, and as a side note is how I recommend all new players to play spam nav commands until you get a feel for the game and can predict when things will happen and once you can do that start to set your command stack accordingly, I have some builds that really help the Arquitens shine.

First

Arquitens Command Cruiser (59)
• Wulff Yularen (7)
• Nav Team (4)
• Dual Turbolaser Turrets (5)
= 75 Points

With this load out you get a nav every turn really (you do have to pick between the yaw and speed decrees) so you just need the nav token and once you have that you can set your dials to whatever command you want and you don't need JJ.

Second

Arquitens Command Cruiser (59)
• Taskmaster Grint (5)
• Nav Team (4)
• Dual Turbolaser Turrets (5)
= 73 Points

This is very simaler to the first build, however every other command would have to be a nav so turn one nav get token with taskmaster turn two con fire discard nav token etc, and you don't need JJ. Also worth noting is you can spam nav commands with both builds and get two extra clicks just like JJ but you can put the clicks wherever you want and it dose not eat a shield and if you combined this with JJ at speed 3 you can get double clicks at every Yaw.

Third

Arquitens Light Cruiser (54)
• Skilled First Officer (1)
• Dual Turbolaser Turrets (5)
= 60 Points

Really this is the simplest and cheapest option. in essence you are going to have your Arquitens switch between nav and con fire every turn and if it turn out you really need a nav or really needed that con fire SFO is there for you, and then you will get to set dials for your next two turns at once and should be easier to see what commands you will need.

I do want to repeat something that has already been said Arquites should not be squadron pushers. However if you do have a Command Cruiser and our favorite blue friend (Thrawn) they could be used in that way, but without him I don't think I would advise it.

Another note on Arquitens in regards to there survivability I can say with few exceptions that when my Arquitens died it was because it got into close and medium range and my evade was nearly or completely useless. In a world with Demo and other maneuverable black dice ships it is not always possible to stay out of black dice range or avoid the black dice attack, however Arquitens are just tough enough that they can survive one of these attacks sometimes, but really only one. Because we want out Arquitens to survive the burst damage of black dice and then jumping back out to long range. Because Arquitens need to survive the burst damage if you are taking a defensive retrofit I really do not advise blast doors they do not help you survive the burst that you need to survive. The only Defensive Retrofit upgrade that reduces damage for us is Early Warning system and over the course of a whole game EWS will save you more damage than blast doors. A lot of people say EWS is hard to use, but just because something is hard to use does not mean its not good, and the only way to get better at using something is to use it. These are just my thoughts ont he Arquitens, do I wish it was a little cheaper yeah, but it fills the roll it is meant to fill.

4 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Unless Intel Sweep is just another of the many front's for CGYSO ameobic shadow government.

I accept our impending Chicago overlords.

3 hours ago, geek19 said:

"The reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation, and CGYSO, have worked together to eliminate all non-breakfast food options, resulting in people being forced to eat ONLY breakfast at Armada tournaments. Their breakfasts are usually laced with mind control drugs, which then results in people playing Admirals like Ozzel and Leia."

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

I seem to have survived. Is use of Thrawn and dissatisfaction with cookie-cutter Imperial fleet design a symptom of insufficient dosage?

9 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

I seem to have survived. Is use of Thrawn and dissatisfaction with cookie-cutter Imperial fleet design a symptom of insufficient dosage?

lies. All Lies. Thrawn is Ozzel in disguise.

5 hours ago, LordCola said:

@Norsehound Thanks. I will be trying this list out next time:

Faction: Imperial
Commander: Darth Vader

Assault: Opening Salvo
Defense: Fire Lanes
Navigation: Sensor Net

Arquitens Light Cruiser (54)
• Intel Officer (7)
• Slaved Turrets (6)
= 67 Points

Arquitens Light Cruiser (54)
• Darth Vader (36)
• Intel Officer (7)
• Slaved Turrets (6)
= 103 Points

Arquitens Light Cruiser (54)
• Intel Officer (7)
• Slaved Turrets (6)
= 67 Points

Gozanti Cruisers (23)
• Boosted Comms (4)
= 27 Points

Gozanti Cruisers (23)
• Boosted Comms (4)
= 27 Points

Squadrons:
• 2 x Lambda Shuttle (30)
• Bossk (23)
• Zertik Strom (15)
• Valen Rudor (13)
• Boba Fett (26)
= 107 Points

Total Points: 398

Any suggestions on the Suqads?

This list is similar to the one I use.

I've changed things up because a deep bid is one of the things I want to get out of this list, and I feel I have to take Dengar to improve squadron defense and help them get away from pinning units when someone like Fett can get an opportune kill by getting away from his enemies. Moreover I like using Jendon to allow double-tapping out of Fett or Stele for some extra hitting power.

I think your fighter combination is good. You have the strategic command out of those shuttles, Zetrick can activate Bossk with the extra hit, and Valen can make enemies pay and force them to keep shooting at Bossk. The danger I see out of your squadrons is that it might be easy to tie all of them down with an alpha strike list out of, say, a Sato list that is concerned only with getting X-Wings close to your ships.

However I also think this list is in a place where you need to get it to the table and start practicing with it to see what works and what doesn't. My list included Jonus in it to get the extra accuracy on top of Intel officer support, but I found the extra token control wasn't necessary and I liked having the die free to re-roll guilt free with Vader.

You'll need practice with this, but I play my ARQ battery with the following thoughts;

- Throw down obstacles in such a way that you know you'll be moving around them. In order to score positive points he'll have to come to you, so make it as hard as possible for him to approach.

-Depending on his list, either commit your ARQ battery line first to bait him in and deploy your fighters-flotillas in response to this (like leading with your GZs and fighters to head off anyone trying to cut you off) or delay with your fighters-flotillas at the center of the board, then deploy your ARQ battery away from your opponent, in an ideal direction to cut off part of his list and obliterate the closest ship that wanders into range of your ARQs.

-You may choose, like I did, to change your objective sets to not be tied down to specific points/objects. With my list to score my opponent needs to come after me. You can arrange this list to do Contested Outpost / Station Assault to force your opponent to come to a specific place where you know you can hammer them with your ARQ battery. I didn't with my list because I like the flexibility to flee if I have to, and I have options to punish my opponent when he tries to harm my ARQ battery.

My ride to breakfast literally left for breakfast without me. I sat in the lobby for 30 minutes waiting for him to come downstairs before he texted "where are you?"

I dunno. At the hotel without a vehicle maybe, seeing as you are my only ride?

I was very salty about this.

4 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

My ride to breakfast literally left for breakfast without me. I sat in the lobby for 30 minutes waiting for him to come downstairs before he texted "where are you?"

I dunno. At the hotel without a vehicle maybe, seeing as you are my only ride?

Sorry to hear that. We'll make sure you have a spot in my car at worlds next year.

11 hours ago, GiledPallaeon said:

I accept our impending Chicago overlords.

I seem to have survived. Is use of Thrawn and dissatisfaction with cookie-cutter Imperial fleet design a symptom of insufficient dosage?

Aw crap, I need to stop dipping into my own stuff.

6 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

My ride to breakfast literally left for breakfast without me. I sat in the lobby for 30 minutes waiting for him to come downstairs before he texted "where are you?"

I dunno. At the hotel without a vehicle maybe, seeing as you are my only ride?

It's too late for you now, you ate breakfast with us!
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@LordCola - I must say that I enjoyed your OP - it's a very well written rant!

  • Yup - Jaina's Light and Yavaris are definitely better ship titles than Centicore and Hand of Justice.
  • The TRCorvette is one of the better kits in the game.
  • I feel like there does appear to be an Imperial tax on Empire ships in the game. I think it'd be pretty funny if Disney ever made a movie from the Empire perspective... don't they have something about the kids of famous villains - the name eludes me.
  • Yup - Rebel Commanders appear to be more interchangeable in fleets than their Imperial counterparts. Actually, the best analogy is GDI vs Nod in the Command & Conquer series.

Overall, would I trade the CR90 for the Kittens in the Empire? My first response is heck yeah! Imagine TRCorvettes supporting an ISD! Then again, imagine Ackbar with Kitten spam.

The Neb's front arc can be arc-dodged and many a Gladiator has t-boned and one-turn-killed a Neb.

I'm biased but why fly a Kitten when you can fly a Gladiator? ;-D

Would I get slaughtered at an "average" tournament with this? On paper it seems good and I think it would be fun to play.

Genius or Stupid?

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 385/400

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Fire Lanes
Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Slaved Turrets ( 6 points)
= 67 total ship cost

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Slaved Turrets ( 6 points)
= 67 total ship cost

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
- Darth Vader ( 36 points)
- Hand of Justice ( 4 points)
- Captain Brunson ( 5 points)
- Early Warning System ( 7 points)
- Slaved Turrets ( 6 points)
= 112 total ship cost

Raider II-Class Corvette (48 points)
- Disposable Capacitors ( 3 points)
- Heavy Ion Emplacements ( 9 points)
= 60 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
- Suppressor ( 4 points)
- Minister Tua ( 2 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Slicer Tools ( 7 points)
= 43 total ship cost

2 Firespray-31s ( 36 points)
= 36 total squadron cost