2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:Well then I guess I have good news for you.
Yeah, amazed it took so long for people to pick up on that misstep. But my point remains valid. Let's say I want it for a triple TIE Advanced list. or better yet, let's say it doesn't matter the list. Cards in the 1st wave 2nd ed expansions should be in the conversion kits. Especially when they expressly say cards in this expansion will also be in the conversion kit.
50 minutes ago, xbeaker said:Yeah, amazed it took so long for people to pick up on that misstep. But my point remains valid. Let's say I want it for a triple TIE Advanced list. or better yet, let's say it doesn't matter the list. Cards in the 1st wave 2nd ed expansions should be in the conversion kits. Especially when they expressly say cards in this expansion will also be in the conversion kit.
I agree that it would have been nice to get two of them in the core set, but it’s still so expensive that I don’t see many good lists running more than one anyways. I suspect it will be in the next wave of real ships with the awing and interceptor. So the wait won’t be long.
On 9/4/2018 at 10:14 PM, xbeaker said:
On this forum everyone is so aggressive about RAW.. well RAW this: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/7/9/direct-confrontation/ " All of the ship and upgrade cards included in the Fang Fighter Expansion Pack can also be found in the Scum and Villainy Conversion Kit. "
Well, i just did a hard copy of that and when i check my conversion kit next week and there is no Afterburners crad, i'll ask customerservice for a replacement. At least they can answer.
1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:I agree that it would have been nice to get two of them in the core set, but it’s still so expensive that I don’t see many good lists running more than one anyways. I suspect it will be in the next wave of real ships with the awing and interceptor. So the wait won’t be long.
I see people talk about the A-wing and Interceptor a lot and it makes sense thematically, but not in a game context. Those ships already have free access to extra boost actions every round, so why would they waste a bunch of points on Afterburners? Including it in the Fang pack makes more sense to me, and that ship doesn't even have a mod slot.
I'm guessing the Imp ship it comes with is the TAP, and for Rebels I'm thinking E-wing. I would have guessed TIE Defender just because it mirrors the Fang with no mod slot, but I don't see the devs including Afterburners on a Defender, even in Quick Build.
Edited by nexttwelveexits1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:I agree that it would have been nice to get two of them in the core set, but it’s still so expensive that I don’t see many good lists running more than one anyways. I suspect it will be in the next wave of real ships with the awing and interceptor. So the wait won’t be long.
As I have said several times this thread.. that they are not right for every ship, that some people may not want to use them, that there is one in the core set, that they will possibly be in the A wings or interceptors.. none of that matters. What matters is that you get them with the Fang 2nd ed expansion, but do not get them in the scum conversion. And if an established player wishes to use them they are forced to buy a ship they don't want exclusively for that card.
Yet everyone is defending FFG. Making excuses about how in 6 months they'll be in other ships.. which I also don't care about unless they are in the wave 2 mini-conversion card packs. I'm not buying another Interceptor or A-wing for a single card any happier than I am buying a Fang for that card. Or that it isn't a great mod so I shouldn't care that they are leaving it out.
And before anyone decided to circle back around to the next part of of what has already been said... yes, I know it's not going to change at this point. But FFG should know that people are not happy with it being left out. They made a mistake, it's ok for us to hold them accountable for it. They aren't gonna punish you for calling them out on it, and they aren't going to reward you for defending them.
6 minutes ago, KaLeu said:Well, i just did a hard copy of that and when i check my conversion kit next week and there is no Afterburners crad, i'll ask customerservice for a replacement. At least they can answer.
And if it IS there, I recant everything I have said so far! ? I am basing this all strictly off of the early access kits that have been opened. For all I know they added them in the the live ship boxes and only those that got them early got cheated out of them.
38 minutes ago, xbeaker said:As I have said several times this thread.. that they are not right for every ship, that some people may not want to use them, that there is one in the core set, that they will possibly be in the A wings or interceptors.. none of that matters. What matters is that you get them with the Fang 2nd ed expansion, but do not get them in the scum conversion. And if an established player wishes to use them they are forced to buy a ship they don't want exclusively for that card.
Yet everyone is defending FFG. Making excuses about how in 6 months they'll be in other ships.. which I also don't care about unless they are in the wave 2 mini-conversion card packs. I'm not buying another Interceptor or A-wing for a single card any happier than I am buying a Fang for that card. Or that it isn't a great mod so I shouldn't care that they are leaving it out.
And before anyone decided to circle back around to the next part of of what has already been said... yes, I know it's not going to change at this point. But FFG should know that people are not happy with it being left out. They made a mistake, it's ok for us to hold them accountable for it. They aren't gonna punish you for calling them out on it, and they aren't going to reward you for defending them.
No conversion kits have one, it’s included in the mandatory core set. You may not like it, but it’s not like they’re giving the shaft to scum players.
Look, we get it, it’s not perfect. But nothing they could have done would have pleased everyone.
7 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:No conversion kits have one, it’s included in the mandatory core set. You may not like it, but it’s not like they’re giving the shaft to scum players.
Look, we get it, it’s not perfect. But nothing they could have done would have pleased everyone.
I don't know, is this case with this special wording not actual advertisement for a product and has to follow legal rules?? The wording is crystal, it ought to be in the conversion kit.
1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:No conversion kits have one, it’s included in the mandatory core set. You may not like it, but it’s not like they’re giving the shaft to scum players.
Look, we get it, it’s not perfect. But nothing they could have done would have pleased everyone.
go read my other posts.. this was also covered. It does not say any cards in this expansion will also be in the conversion unless they are also in core. it says "All of the ship and upgrade cards included in the Fang Fighter Expansion Pack can also be found in the Scum and Villainy Conversion Kit." that you get 1 somewhere else does not excuse them forgetting to add it. And yes, they could do something that would have pleased me.. they could have put 1 (actually 2 like all the other non-unique upgrades) in the scum conversion. But you just want to berate me and defend FFG. They are giving the shaft to established players who may want more than 1 AB and don't need more Fangs.
My god, how many times do I have to say the same thing in the same thread because people like jumping to the end thinking that THEY are the first one to think of "But there is one in the core set" or "It's not that good an upgrade" or "I think the Interceptor will have one in wave 2"? lol
1 hour ago, KaLeu said:I don't know, is this case with this special wording not actual advertisement for a product and has to follow legal rules?? The wording is crystal, it ought to be in the conversion kit.
While I doubt you could really do anything legally, short of a class action suit, I am hoping that next week, if the cards aren't there that I will be able to call Asmodee and have a couple sent out. I'm guessing this is nothing more than an oversight and FFG/Asmodee are usually really good about sending out replacement parts.
1 hour ago, xbeaker said:go read my other posts.. this was also covered. It does not say any cards in this expansion will also be in the conversion unless they are also in core. it says "All of the ship and upgrade cards included in the Fang Fighter Expansion Pack can also be found in the Scum and Villainy Conversion Kit." that you get 1 somewhere else does not excuse them forgetting to add it. And yes, they could do something that would have pleased me.. they could have put 1 (actually 2 like all the other non-unique upgrades) in the scum conversion. But you just want to berate me and defend FFG. They are giving the shaft to established players who may want more than 1 AB and don't need more Fangs.
My god, how many times do I have to say the same thing in the same thread because people like jumping to the end thinking that THEY are the first one to think of "But there is one in the core set" or "It's not that good an upgrade" or "I think the Interceptor will have one in wave 2"? lol
Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the ******* and don't really care to put the effort into reading another 5 page thread whining about a card that everybody has at least one copy of, I just replied because I got an alert.
Please, continue endlessly complaining about the least relevant issue with the SE launch.
4 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the ******* and don't really care to put the effort into reading another 5 page thread whining about a card that everybody has at least one copy of, I just replied because I got an alert.
Please, continue endlessly complaining about the least relevant issue with the SE launch.
I'm just responding to all the people who keep asking me questions. You only really needed to read the last page.. or like ANY of it. And yeah, I have an issue with 1 aspect of the release. so that is "Endlessly complaining" You obviously post a lot. Good to know you do so without even reading the thread you are posting in... but yeah, probably too much effort. Much faster to post your opinion, assume that you can't be wrong, then berate anyone who disagrees.
So, if "it's in the core, they don't need to put it in the conversion" is the case, why is Outmaneuver, Elusive and Predator in the conversions? You get one in the core. And don't tell me it is because you need more of them.. who is to say how many Afterburners someone needs? If I want to run 3 Z-95s with Afterburners, I am allowed. The whole point of this game is options, just because YOU don't like a card does not mean it is right that FFG is leaving it out of the conversion. I wish it were a more valuable card. Because then people might understand why I and others are annoyed by this. It isn't that I really need 3 of them. It is that FFG is not providing them in the VERY FIRST drop after they said they would. We can't change that now, but FFG does pay attention to it's fan base. That is why we are getting Clone wars stuff. That is why 2nd ed even exists. So we should let them know that missing a card, even a card you don't think you'll use often, is a problem. LEt them know we notice. Let them know we don't want it to happen again.
So what are the issues you think are more important? If this is the least relevant issue, what is the most relevant one? Personally I think FFG knocked it out of the park with 2nd ed.
1 hour ago, xbeaker said:While I doubt you could really do anything legally, short of a class action suit, I am hoping that next week, if the cards aren't there that I will be able to call Asmodee and have a couple sent out. I'm guessing this is nothing more than an oversight and FFG/Asmodee are usually really good about sending out replacement parts.
If this is making you so upset that you’re talking about lawsuits and asking for free cards the rest of the customer base will be buying then maybe it’s time take a deep breath and relax. If you buy the core, which everyone needs to, you’ll have 1. The need for more is purely situational and as such up to the consumer to acquire.
I don’t see them giving away free cards.
Serious question, would you be happy if afterburners was available as the first alt art upgrade card (usually at least 16 in a kit) in an early 2.0 quarterly OP kit? Like, if there was a route to get it that was easy and you're likely to do anyway?
5 hours ago, Cgriffith said:If this is making you so upset that you’re talking about lawsuits and asking for free cards the rest of the customer base will be buying then maybe it’s time take a deep breath and relax. If you buy the core, which everyone needs to, you’ll have 1. The need for more is purely situational and as such up to the consumer to acquire.
I don’t see them giving away free cards.
For the 10th time.. your opinion about if someone needs the card is irrelevant. That they say that ALL cards in the Fang expansion are in the scum conversion is all I am discussing. I don't care if AB costs 186 point and has no in game function. It is a card that is provided in an expansion, which is expressly said to be in the scum conversion and isn't. Stop with the stupid excuse that it isn't that good so who cares if you only have the one from the core. Pretend it is the upgrade you actually want. Pretend it is an upgrade that gives the pilot +4 force and costs 1 build point. would it be OK that you only get 1 and that to get another you need to buy a $20 expansion, or a $40 core that provides you with absolutely nothing else you need? I'm sure the apologists will say "If I wanted the card that bad, I'd pay the $20 for it." But consider that FFG expressly said that that card would be in the conversion kit, a kit you already have to buy. And that every other non-unique mod is in that pack, 2 or 3 of them in fact. Are you really still OK with it?
I was responding LaLeu who was talking about legal action.. I said that there was nothing there, but that Asmodee were really good about customer service. But again, you just seem to want to make me the bad guy. And you don't see them giving away free cards? because I do... in fact I have actually called them and requested cards, grommets, and baseplates... and they didn't hesitate to provide them. Every single interaction I have had with FFG and Asmodee has been a positive one.
As I said a page ago.. everyone on this forum loves RAW. well RAW this: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/7/9/direct-confrontation/ " All of the ship and upgrade cards included in the Fang Fighter Expansion Pack can also be found in the Scum and Villainy Conversion Kit. " Until you can tell me why I am wrong in thinking this means we should have afterburners in the scum conversion kit, nothing you say has any meaning to me. This is literally all I am saying. Not that we will change FFGs shipment. Not that I need 17 Afterburners to be competitive. Not that Afterburners are the greatest mod the ever grace the game. Not that there is no possible way I can get my hands on another one. Not that I won't have any at all. Just that an express promise was made, and that promise was immediately broken. And I am not OK with that.
3 hours ago, JasonCole said:Serious question, would you be happy if afterburners was available as the first alt art upgrade card (usually at least 16 in a kit) in an early 2.0 quarterly OP kit? Like, if there was a route to get it that was easy and you're likely to do anyway?
A good question. And the answer is no. My beef is not that I can't get enough Afterburners, or that there are no means of acquiring them. It is that FFG expressly say they are in the scum conversion kit and they aren't. Nothing more. There is also the small matter that scum players have early access to a general use mod that the other factions don't, which FFG also said wouldn't happen. But I'm letting that go on the basis of they are following the Legion model. As long as by wave 2 rebel and Imp player have some ship that provides them, that is close enough fulfilling the plan that you don't need to buy out of faction to get mods your other ships can use. 
The funny thing is I have somehow become the posterboy for this cause, which I care far less about than all the posts I have in this threat would imply hahaha. I got sucked into this by defending the 3rd post who pointed out that FFG skipped out on the mod. He was attacked, I agreed with his view. So people started laying into me. Yet no one will give any defense to the opposing viewpoint besides "You can just buy the ship anyway"/"You could buy another core"/"You can buy an Interceptor or A-wing next wave" : the whole point is I shouldn't HAVE to buy anything else. "It's not that good of a mod" : the value of the mod is not what is being debated. And "You already get one in the core, so they don't need to provide it in the conversion kit" : there are several other mods provided in the core that ARE in the conversion kits as well, it isn't and either/or situation, but every other card in the expansions IS in the conversion kit regardless of whether it is in the core.
You are the first person to ask something else. So honestly.. thank you.
18 hours ago, KaLeu said:Well, i just did a hard copy of that and when i check my conversion kit next week and there is no Afterburners crad, i'll ask customerservice for a replacement. At least they can answer.
I really like that idea. Customer Service should replace the card. After all, FFG said it should be there.
10 hours ago, xbeaker said:A good question. And the answer is no. My beef is not that I can't get enough Afterburners, or that there are no means of acquiring them. It is that FFG expressly say they are in the scum conversion kit and they aren't. Nothing more. There is also the small matter that scum players have early access to a general use mod that the other factions don't, which FFG also said wouldn't happen. But I'm letting that go on the basis of they are following the Legion model. As long as by wave 2 rebel and Imp player have some ship that provides them, that is close enough fulfilling the plan that you don't need to buy out of faction to get mods your other ships can use.
For what it's worth, this is exactly my take on the issue too.
I'm incredibly supportive of and excited by second edition. I can't wait to start playing it properly. But the fact that I even need to preface what I'm about to say with that 'disclaimer' demonstrates the sheer bloody mindedness of some people who seem to think I could only be criticising something FFG has done if I'm a raging hater who won't listen to reason.
There are several elements of the marketing for second edition that I think FFG have been a bit shady with. They've promised a few things with wording that's a little over generous.
To be perfectly honest, I initially felt that them promising you would 'no longer need to buy out of faction for specific upgrades' implicitly meant 'within a wave release', otherwise it's functionally the same as the 1e Autothruster problem anyway, and I'm a little disappointed that they went back on that in pretty much the first wave (hello, Agile Gunner and Composure). As you say, though, it might be wiser to expect something more like the Legion model. It doesn't seem right to package upgrades in with a ship that can't use them, even if it just to maintain parity of factions. You're also not going to be able to release faction analogues every single wave, so waiting another wave for a ship that makes more sense is fine. I can live with that.
I can also live with the promise that the conversion kits would 'fully convert' a number of ships up to the number of dials in the kit ultimately being misleading. Yes, you don't get enough Z-95 generics to run in whatever combination of 4 you want. And yes, that's frustrating. But I'll allow that FFG's language for this was vague enough that they never actually promised that (though again, I really don't think I can be blamed for that expectation).
But specifically stating that all the cards in the Fang Fighter will be in the Scum Conversion Kit, only for that to demonstrably not true is simply not something that can be defended.
There's no wiggle room here. The argument that it's 'in the core you need anyway' is irrelevant. There is no ambiguity in what FFG promised, and they didn't fulfil that.
The lengths people are going to defend that misstep frankly astounds me.
And again, you don't have to be a 2e hater to criticise FFG, nor does criticising FFG mean I don't want to buy immediately into 2e big time. They made a mistake. They should be called out on it.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that not everyone disagrees with you, @xbeaker
21 hours ago, nexttwelveexits said:I see people talk about the A-wing and Interceptor a lot and it makes sense thematically, but not in a game context. Those ships already have free access to extra boost actions every round, so why would they waste a bunch of points on Afterburners?
Because unlike the ship abilities, Afterburners doesn't give you stress and can be used while stressed, eg. after a red manuever. It also doesn't take the place of your perform action step, and happens immediately after the maneuever. It could, in theory, actually be really useful on an A-Wing as it would be a way of letting you boost then barrel roll, which ordinarily can't be done in that order. Of course, A-Wings don't have mod slots so yeah, not sure why people are talking about the two together.
It does still have uses on an Interceptor, though. It would let Fel, for example, maneuever, Afterburner boost, take an evade action then barrel roll into bullseye arc to get a focus. It lets them boost after an s-loop and gives them a clutch arc dodge in the event of going through a debris, or something.
54 minutes ago, GuacCousteau said:I'm incredibly supportive of and excited by second edition. I can't wait to start playing it properly. But the fact that I even need to preface what I'm about to say with that 'disclaimer' demonstrates the sheer bloody mindedness of some people who seem to think I could only be criticising something FFG has done if I'm a raging hater who won't listen to reason.
I'll just speak for myself, but it's not a question of being technically right or wrong. It's the habitual, seemingly compulsive need this forum has of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
We're presented with a kit with hundreds of cards and we're technically missing one accessory piece, agreed? I personally think complaining about it and ignoring simple work-arounds by turtling into 'but technically they said...!' is a very narrow, childish application of reason, but that's just me. And either way, reasonable or unreasonable, I'd rather see these complaints leveled to customer service rather than to a forum mostly meant to grow and enhance the enjoyment of the hobby.
What if the mistake was including it with the fang fighter and NOT the omission from the conversion kit? Maybe FFG should demand that everyone that purchases a fang fighter mail their ill-gotten upgrade card back to them so as not to have a leg up?
I don't think anyone is arguing whether or not a mistake has been made. I *do* think people are taking it way too seriously and personally for some freakish reason. There's bound to be a mistake made somewhere. If this is it, then I'm with the crew that thinks it's being blown way out of proportion, and I think this level of "rabblerabblerabble" before they've even had a chance to take corrective action of any kind (even if it's an email telling you to piss off) is unjustified.
12 hours ago, xbeaker said:Pretend it is an upgrade that gives the pilot +4 force and costs 1 build point. would it be OK that you only get 1 and that to get another you need to buy a $20 expansion, or a $40 core that provides you with absolutely nothing else you need?
If they took the one that I could get out of a pack I may not need (faction specific conversion kit) and stuck that one in a pack that I needed to buy to play (core set), I would be ok with that. And I feel, I do NOT know, that this is most likely the case. Even though I still see it as a broken promise on FFG's part, I'm basically ok with it now.
13 minutes ago, YourHucklebrry said:is a very narrow, childish application of reason,
Gotta throw those little jabs in, don't you?
You don't agree with someone's criticism so anyone wishing to do so is 'childish'?
15 minutes ago, YourHucklebrry said:I'd rather see these complaints leveled to customer service rather than to a forum mostly meant to grow and enhance the enjoyment of the hobby.
And I don't believe that any discussion board should be limited to only 'positive' discussions. That's how you get echo chambers.
There is nothing wrong with someone expressing a criticism on a discussion board about the thing being criticised as a means of sounding out the opinions of others.
"Hey, I feel like this is a bit unfair, does anyone else agree?" Is a perfectly valid form of discussion. If such criticism is unanimously shot down, it may convince the OP they're overreacting or missing something. If others agree, they may then decide it's worth pursuing further.
If people didn't complain so loudly about Autothrusters or TIE/x1 in 1e, do you think FFG would have taken steps to address how such upgrades are released in 2e, as they are (apparently) doing?
20 minutes ago, YourHucklebrry said:ignoring simple work-arounds by turtling into 'but technically they said...!'
This is such an aggressive way of trying to make your point.
Why is someone raising a genuine concern 'turtling' into an argument?
There's no 'technically' here either. They flat just said it. When one claim FFG makes about how 2e and converting is going to work, how there will be slightly fewer 'anti-consumer practices' like faction expansion exclusive upgrades, and one such claim about the 'ease' of converting is shown to be demonstrably false, it does call into some question all the other claims.
How much that affects you is obviously a personal choice. And for me, it really isn't that big a sticking point. But that doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion on it if the situation arises. It just feels like a bit of a frustrating decision on FFGs part, and if I really wanted to get into it I'd say it compounds some other minor little frustrations about the kits being a bit stingy in general. Too few generic pilot cards for some ships, no Moldy Crow title in the Scum kit, no Maul in the Rebel kit etc.
27 minutes ago, JasonCole said:I *do* think people are taking it way too seriously and personally for some freakish reason.
Who?
Who is taking it personally?
I'm certainly not. FFG haven't offended me, they haven't targeted me personally and I'm predominantly very excited for the release of 2e.
@xbeaker said almost literally the exact same thing in a post further up.
There was a discussion on the topic. On a discussion forum. I gave my opinion without hyperbole or drama: I think this specific issue is bad form on FFG's part and a misstep in marketing that I hope won't be repeated. That's it. Nothing more than that. I haven't vowed to never buy a second edition ship or anything ridiculous.
If anything, I might suggest the people who seem to be taking it 'seriously and personally' are the people doubling down on being incredibly dismissive of those who have spoken in anything resembling a critical tone.
For example:
32 minutes ago, JasonCole said:What if the mistake was including it with the fang fighter and NOT the omission from the conversion kit? Maybe FFG should demand that everyone that purchases a fang fighter mail their ill-gotten upgrade card back to them so as not to have a leg up?
Was the sarcasm really necessary?
50 minutes ago, YourHucklebrry said:I'll just speak for myself, but it's not a question of being technically right or wrong. It's the habitual, seemingly compulsive need this forum has of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
We're presented with a kit with hundreds of cards and we're technically missing one accessory piece, agreed? I personally think complaining about it and ignoring simple work-arounds by turtling into 'but technically they said...!' is a very narrow, childish application of reason, but that's just me. And either way, reasonable or unreasonable, I'd rather see these complaints leveled to customer service rather than to a forum mostly meant to grow and enhance the enjoyment of the hobby.
IMO, a lot of the blame for this lies with FFG.
They did a great job with 2.0 by the looks of it and the conversion kits are great value for money, for me at least.
However, they chose to go on record saying (or writing) some things which are if not in letter, at least in spirit, untrue and/or misleading. They chose to piss off a bunch of people for no tangible benefit.
7 minutes ago, GuacCousteau said:Gotta throw those little jabs in, don't you?
You don't agree with someone's criticism so anyone wishing to do so is 'childish'?
And I don't believe that any discussion board should be limited to only 'positive' discussions. That's how you get echo chambers.
There is nothing wrong with someone expressing a criticism on a discussion board about the thing being criticised as a means of sounding out the opinions of others.
"Hey, I feel like this is a bit unfair, does anyone else agree?" Is a perfectly valid form of discussion. If such criticism is unanimously shot down, it may convince the OP they're overreacting or missing something. If others agree, they may then decide it's worth pursuing further.
If people didn't complain so loudly about Autothrusters or TIE/x1 in 1e, do you think FFG would have taken steps to address how such upgrades are released in 2e, as they are (apparently) doing?
This is such an aggressive way of trying to make your point.
Why is someone raising a genuine concern 'turtling' into an argument?
There's no 'technically' here either. They flat just said it. When one claim FFG makes about how 2e and converting is going to work, how there will be slightly fewer 'anti-consumer practices' like faction expansion exclusive upgrades, and one such claim about the 'ease' of converting is shown to be demonstrably false, it does call into some question all the other claims.
How much that affects you is obviously a personal choice. And for me, it really isn't that big a sticking point. But that doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion on it if the situation arises. It just feels like a bit of a frustrating decision on FFGs part, and if I really wanted to get into it I'd say it compounds some other minor little frustrations about the kits being a bit stingy in general. Too few generic pilot cards for some ships, no Moldy Crow title in the Scum kit, no Maul in the Rebel kit etc.
It's very much just my opinion, offered to help you understand why some people react negatively to these minor criticisms. If the tone was upsetting, fine, it was meant in broad strokes rather than personally. Hopefully you can re-read it later and see some of what I'm saying. And that's definitely not saying you have to agree with it.
3 minutes ago, LordBlades said:IMO, a lot of the blame for this lies with FFG.
They did a great job with 2.0 by the looks of it and the conversion kits are great value for money, for me at least.
However, they chose to go on record saying (or writing) some things which are if not in letter, at least in spirit, untrue and/or misleading. They chose to piss off a bunch of people for no tangible benefit.
Yeah FFG isn't some blameless angel, for sure. It just feels like the old 'find the error in the FFG article' game has gone a bit far at times.