https://scumvillainy.podbean.com/e/scum-and-villainy-79-re…/

Kelvan, Scruffy, MajorJuggler, Will Barnickle , and Calen Wong review the Rebel faction in second edition over 2 evenings. We try to cover every change and every pilot. Are the Rebels outgunned at the moment or are there some tricks up their sleeve? We also announce the winner of our 2nd edition contest. Our next contest is to revitalize the Jumpmaster.

Show Notes:
https://docs.google.com/…/141ICfHUKGp9HwryRwTb66bTp0e…/edit…

3 hours 36 min. We dug too greedily and too deep.

Where's Sable?

1 hour ago, Chumbalaya said:

Where's Sable?

We casted for so long we had to eat something.

Did he at least taste good?

6 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Did he at least taste good?

The lion part didn't the eagle part yes.

In the end i get the feeling that certain rebel pilots will be good but generics look a little weak comparatively.

The most important thing to remember is no one knows fully at this point.

Two things jumping out: rules reference says spending a shield makes you lose a shield, which is flip. So you never have to discard a token on Miranda. Also, the Astromech makes your basic maneuvers easier, which is only straight bank and turn.

There was some some good stuff in there but there was a lot of little things that make me not trust the rest of it as much.

You said you dug too deep, but it feels like you took topsoil for a county rather than hitting bedrock in an acre or two.

Edit: also, many of the new squad builders have typos. Does Magva really require you to have the lock action? It’s not on my card out of Saw’s and I don’t see it in the errata page.

2 hours ago, Kelvan said:

In the end i get the feeling that certain rebel pilots will be good but generics look a little weak comparatively.

The most important thing to remember is no one knows fully at this point.

That seems fair though, no names die like a red shirt on Star Trek and movie heroes seem to be indestructible dynamo’s of luck and skill. Flavor preserved.

2 hours ago, AEIllingworth said:

Two things jumping out: rules reference says spending a shield makes you lose a shield, which is flip. So you never have to discard a token on Miranda. Also, the Astromech makes your basic maneuvers easier, which is only straight bank and turn.

There was some some good stuff in there but there was a lot of little things that make me not trust the rest of it as much.

You said you dug too deep, but it feels like you took topsoil for a county rather than hitting bedrock in an acre or two.

Edit: also, many of the new squad builders have typos. Does Magva really require you to have the lock action? It’s not on my card out of Saw’s and I don’t see it in the errata page.

I'll research that. Thank you!

10 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

That seems fair though, no names die like a red shirt on Star Trek and movie heroes seem to be indestructible dynamo’s of luck and skill. Flavor preserved.

It makes sense that empire generics would be decent.

The problem with basically any rebel generic is that shuttle Sabine is 38 points

There's no reason to reach for any generic before her, unless you're compelled to take a crappy Z for whatever reason

In empire, generics aren't really that much better it's just that you have force multipliers like Howlie and Jonus or Sloane etc to turn them into monsters

Rebels only get lateral support where you get like an additional token on ANOTHER SHIP (Garven/Dutch/cracken being the best because they don't have to lose mods) while howlie etc are free to mod themselves

Poor Two Tubes, Esege etc have to work with freeloaders gobbling up their hard earned tokens

Only the Moldy is stacked enough to not care

9 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

The problem with basically any rebel generic is that shuttle Sabine is 38 points

There's no reason to reach for any generic before her, unless you're compelled to take a crappy Z for whatever reason

In empire, generics aren't really that much better it's just that you have force multipliers like Howlie and Jonus or Sloane etc to turn them into monsters

Rebels only get lateral support where you get like an additional token on ANOTHER SHIP (Garven/Dutch/cracken being the best because they don't have to lose mods) while howlie etc are free to mod themselves

Poor Two Tubes, Esege etc have to work with freeloaders gobbling up their hard earned tokens

Only the Moldy is stacked enough to not care

Moldy Crow HWK is seriously good.

Moldy Crow is best Crow

Also ship

15 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Moldy Crow is best Crow

Also ship

Torkil, Moldy, Sd and Cd with good support. "The enemy had aces?"...... Waaiit a sec. This thread is supposed to be about Rebels... Ignore me

5 hours ago, Kelvan said:

I'll research that. Thank you!

I don’t mean to call you out, you’re still my favorite podcast (don’t tell the others). But it might be better while we all get our heads around the new rules to pick a squad or two and go deep into interactions and rules as they pertain to that squad, rather than trying to hit everything in the faction all up front.

It feels like an overwhelming amount of stuff, and we don’t want to get everyone passing along wrong information. If everyone on the podcast finds something that they are excited about, hopefully they know all the interactions as it pertains to that and it might spread that way.

Im still gonna listen either way.

Red Xwings might be good, depending on how prominent TIE/ln or bomber swarms are. They all are In2, whilst rebel generic aces are at 3 (blade/red/green/gold).

Still looking for decent arc list. My current pick is Sharra/Norra and Moldy Kyle.

Also hull upgrade on low Ag ships seems like good pick in rebel squads. Better than the regen, at first look.

12 hours ago, AEIllingworth said:

I don’t mean to call you out, you’re still my favorite podcast (don’t tell the others). But it might be better while we all get our heads around the new rules to pick a squad or two and go deep into interactions and rules as they pertain to that squad, rather than trying to hit everything in the faction all up front.

It feels like an overwhelming amount of stuff, and we don’t want to get everyone passing along wrong information. If everyone on the podcast finds something that they are excited about, hopefully they know all the interactions as it pertains to that and it might spread that way.

Im still gonna listen either way.

To your point I don't want to do 3+ hour podcasts.

2 hours ago, Amaimon said:

Red Xwings might be good, depending on how prominent TIE/ln or bomber swarms are. They all are In2, whilst rebel generic aces are at 3 (blade/red/green/gold).

Still looking for decent arc list. My current pick is Sharra/Norra and Moldy Kyle.

Also hull upgrade on low Ag ships seems like good pick in rebel squads. Better than the regen, at first look.

I'm seeing a lot of swarm tactic Tie swarms, so I'm not fully certain PS 2 is worth it. Certainly @Starslinger72's been looking that direction and I tend to agree with him.

I'm going to be playing swarms primarily and this is one that I'm currently looking at. Fires on 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!217:132,-1:-1:-1:;218:132,-1:-1:-1:;221:-1:-1:-1:;223:-1,-1:-1:-1:;224:-1,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=New Squadron&obs=

On 9/2/2018 at 6:59 PM, ficklegreendice said:

The problem with basically any rebel generic is that shuttle Sabine is 38 points

There's no reason to reach for any generic before her, unless you're compelled to take a crappy Z for whatever reason

I suppose it depends on what you need out of a generic. I don't see Sabine being part of a Joust, she's not sturdy enough. You'd need a Y-wing, B-Wing or a Gunship to handle that.

40 minutes ago, Raithnor said:

I suppose it depends on what you need out of a generic. I don't see Sabine being part of a Joust, she's not sturdy enough. You'd need a Y-wing, B-Wing or a Gunship to handle that.

Yeah, she's definitely more of a flanker but she's quite good for the points, even if you don't trick her out much.

21 hours ago, Raithnor said:

I suppose it depends on what you need out of a generic. I don't see Sabine being part of a Joust, she's not sturdy enough. You'd need a Y-wing, B-Wing or a Gunship to handle that.

This was the point Will brought up although I tend to agree the Sabine is superior in a vacuum.

On 9/3/2018 at 9:15 AM, Kelvan said:

I'm seeing a lot of swarm tactic Tie swarms, so I'm not fully certain PS 2 is worth it. Certainly @Starslinger72's been looking that direction and I tend to agree with him.

I'm going to be playing swarms primarily and this is one that I'm currently looking at. Fires on 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!217:132,-1:-1:-1:;218:132,-1:-1:-1:;221:-1:-1:-1:;223:-1,-1:-1:-1:;224:-1,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=New Squadron&obs=

Do you mean they're firing at 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4? Have you had a chance to put it on the table yet?

I've been running this and I'm not sure if Del or Wampa is the answer. The Crackshots aren't getting used all of the time, but part of that might be not planning better. Del's ability against other swarmy lists is lacking, but it's nice against stuff like Boba/Fenn. Seyn/Gideon + Ruthless synergy is real and pretty great.

Iden Versio (40)
Crack Shot (1)

"Howlrunner" (40)
Swarm Tactics (3)

Seyn Marana (30)
Marksmanship (1)

Del Meeko (30)
Crack Shot (1)

Gideon Hask (30)
Ruthless (1)

Academy Pilot (23)

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

7 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Do you mean they're firing at 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4? Have you had a chance to put it on the table yet?

I've been running this and I'm not sure if Del or Wampa is the answer. The Crackshots aren't getting used all of the time, but part of that might be not planning better. Del's ability against other swarmy lists is lacking, but it's nice against stuff like Boba/Fenn. Seyn/Gideon + Ruthless synergy is real and pretty great.

Iden Versio (40)
Crack Shot (1)

"Howlrunner" (40)
Swarm Tactics (3)

Seyn Marana (30)
Marksmanship (1)

Del Meeko (30)
Crack Shot (1)

Gideon Hask (30)
Ruthless (1)

Academy Pilot (23)

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Man Wampa is very nice and if anyone shoots him it's a good situation for you. I'm in on swarm tactics again, feels like wave 1 all over again.