So what happens if you have an instigator Raider that is distance 1 from a squad, but that squadron is obstructed to the raider? Had a situation come up last night where I had a couple fighters that were within 1 of my raider but behind a rock last night and the question came up, are they engaged to the raider or not?

19 minutes ago, zirhark said:

So what happens if you have an instigator Raider that is distance 1 from a squad, but that squadron is obstructed to the raider? Had a situation come up last night where I had a couple fighters that were within 1 of my raider but behind a rock last night and the question came up, are they engaged to the raider or not?

Its the holy grail. Instigator doesnt care about line of sight. The squad cant move and is obstructed to instigator.

Its important to note as well, is that they are not engaged “by instigator”. They just countvas engaged.

This stops their movement, but unless there’s something actually engaging them, their shots will not be restricted. (Which is why instigator also being obstructed at the time is the holy grail - a lot only throw one die)

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Its important to note as well, is that they are not engaged “by instigator”. They just countvas engaged.

This stops their movement, but unless there’s something actually engaging them, their shots will not be restricted. (Which is why instigator also being obstructed at the time is the holy grail - a lot only throw one die)

Thus, since they can be obstructed and engaged...

A Raider-1 with Instigator, Tua, EWS, Ordnance Experts, QLTs, and Flechette Torpedoes is the ultimate anti-squad boat. Put those one-die bombers in one arc, hit speed 0 and never let them move again. Everything except for Instigator, Tua, and EWS is optional though. Useless, but sounds cool.

12 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Thus, since they can be obstructed and engaged...

A Raider-1 with Instigator, Tua, EWS, Ordnance Experts, QLTs, and Flechette Torpedoes is the ultimate anti-squad boat. Put those one-die bombers in one arc, hit speed 0 and never let them move again. Everything except for Instigator, Tua, and EWS is optional though. Useless, but sounds cool.

Sounds really good, but at speed 0 wouldn't last long against a ship's attack

39 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

Sounds really good, but at speed 0 wouldn't last long against a ship's attack

Or a few b wings

4 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

Sounds really good, but at speed 0 wouldn't last long against a ship's attack

4 hours ago, Green Knight said:

Or a few b wings

Thus, useless. But @geek19 's Y-wings will cry.

3 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Thus, useless. But @geek19 's Y-wings will cry.

Which would matter if he wasnt severly hampered by using Leia anyway. Am I right @Truthiness ?

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Which would matter if he wasnt severly hampered by using Leia anyway. Am I right @Truthiness ?

I hate admitting you are right.

....but it's true.

If I'm dumb enough to go shoot up instigator then sure, I deserve this. Buttttt since I'm not, and no one actually brings Instigator, and I've been tested in the fires of @Snipafist 's Raiders, then I like my chances.

And just you wait, you're only making me want to Leia harder...

8 hours ago, geek19 said:

If I'm dumb enough to go shoot up instigator then sure, I deserve this. Buttttt since I'm not, and no one actually brings Instigator, and I've been tested in the fires of @Snipafist 's Raiders, then I like my chances.

And just you wait, you're only making me want to Leia harder...

Sweet. Easy wins at major tournaments for the foreseeable future

5 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Sweet. Easy wins at major tournaments for the foreseeable future

So you're bringing Konstantine then? Good luck to you then...

I don't know why instigator is so under rated

49 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

I don't know why instigator is so under rated

Because it doesn't help the Raider survive and is attached to a platform that's already squishy and redirect-less. Engage my squadrons? Great, so I shoot you instead. Don't engage them? That 3 points would be better spent elsewhere. Get the Tua EWS holy Grail lined up? Why did you spend 60 points on a ship that would be better served as 7-8 TIEs instead?

25 minutes ago, geek19 said:

. Engage my squadrons? Great, so I shoot you instead.

Exactly!!!

Dead instigator? So what, I don't care, as long as demo or Avenger or my Quasar is still alive to actually kill your stuff Instigator won!

47 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Exactly!!!

Dead instigator? So what, I don't care, as long as demo or Avenger or my Quasar is still alive to actually kill your stuff Instigator won!

Riiiiiight. And how am I letting you engage my squadrons like this?

20 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Riiiiiight. And how am I letting you engage my squadrons like this?

Speed 4 instigator... It's not exactly "easy" to avoid...

I thought it was speed 0 to hold them in place?

Just now, clontroper5 said:

Speed 4 instigator... It's not exactly "easy" to avoid...

Neither my squads nor your ships, sure!

Just now, Drasnighta said:

I thought it was speed 0 to hold them in place?

That's not important just catching them for 1-2 turns is usually enough

Just now, clontroper5 said:

That's not important just catching them for 1-2 turns is usually enough

Of course, with Jan, I just do a leave anyways.

3 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Of course, with Jan, I just do a leave anyways.

Not with Instigator, you don’t ...

Really, it’s the only strength of the title...

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Not with Instigator, you don’t

Exactly, instigator is impossible to leave (except for tycho)

Basically instigator can make your opponent not be able to do what he wants to do with his squadrons, and if that is a Carrier build that is HUGE!

Imagine forcing your opponent to Pass his avenger activation on a crucial turn, people would call that Card Broken, well instigator can do the same thing just vs 130 points of squads instead of 130 points of SD

On 8/30/2018 at 5:24 PM, clontroper5 said:

Basically instigator can make your opponent not be able to do what he wants to do with his squadrons, and if that is a Carrier build that is HUGE!

Imagine forcing your opponent to Pass his avenger activation on a crucial turn, people would call that Card Broken, well instigator can do the same thing just vs 130 points of squads instead of 130 points of SD

I’d much rather take 2 Slicer Tools Gozantis than an EWS Instigator. Same price, double the activations, more survivability, great against squadronless fleets, and capable of pushing four squads if you brought any.

As an aside, I’ve never heard anyone call MS-1 ions “broken.” But you know your meta. ?