3 hours ago, Grumbleduke said:

I'd argue that the MC85 would be a "small" Huge ship. The ISD is a big Large ship - it hangs over the edges of the base quite a lot, so is about as big as a Large ship can get. Contrast it with something like the CR90, which doesn't really go over the edge of the Small base. The SSD is a big Huge ship - it goes a long way over the edge of the base in all directions. An MC85 would be big enough to take up most of a Huge ship base, but without going over the edge, perhaps.

The problem with Starhawks is that canonically they were made out of scrapped Imperial starships... suggesting they might not have a common design, but might be a bit patchwork.

So just to make sure I understand you, you are saying that the floating scale they use does not matter as the ISD is larger than the base so anything larger must be a huge ship?

Moar broadside imperial ships.

I wanna be able to line a deployment zone in blockade run, speed my fleet down to speed 0, and blast broadsides at my enemy.

For that reason alone, I am thinking of getting a SSD.

Some sort of anti-squadron flotilla gunship for both factions. Red & Blue double flak but weak against capital ships.

1 hour ago, CDAT said:

So just to make sure I understand you, you are saying that the floating scale they use does not matter as the ISD is larger than the base so anything larger must be a huge ship?

Sliding scale determines how big the model should be

Size of the model determines what size base it needs to go on

Base size determines what size class the ship is

9 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Sliding scale determines how big the model should be

Size of the model determines what size base it needs to go on

Base size determines what size class the ship is

And yet the the Quasar fire at 340 meters in length is a medium ship, and the MC30 at about 580 meters is a small base ship so the scale and model size is what ever they want it to be. I am not saying that it would not be a huge ship, I am saying that I am not sold on it being one. I could see it just being slightly larger than the ISD and still counting as a large ship sounds more likely to me. Based on reading up on it I do not see it bring something to the table that would make the jump from large to huge.

On 8/28/2018 at 9:08 PM, cynanbloodbane said:

You seriously made me facepalm! My son has been trying to get me to let him do Voltron in my Star Wars D6 game for over a year now.

Your son is well on his way to greatness.

venator ( team venator till I die, and then some)

Imperial support vessel

Braha'toh

Assault frigates mk I(abc...xyz. take your pick) something medium for rebels that's not another MC.

11 hours ago, CDAT said:

So just to make sure I understand you, you are saying that the floating scale they use does not matter as the ISD is larger than the base so anything larger must be a huge ship? 

No. I'm saying that all we know at the moment is that the boundary between a Large ship and a Huge ship is somewhere between the ISD and the SSD.

The MC85 is double the size of an ISD. So it would be larger than the ISD but smaller than the SSD. Making it work as either a Large or Huge ship.

Generally ships don't hang over the edge of their base too much. At each size class, the smallest ships tend to be a lot smaller than the base, the biggest ships a bit larger. The ISD is quite a bit bigger than its base; the SSD is a lot bigger than its base. To me that suggests the ISD should be about as large as a Large ship should get (before they become too unwieldy) and the SSD about as big as a Huge ship should get. To me it seems reasonable to make the MC85 a Huge ship, then. It would be to the Huge base(s) as the MC80 is to the Large base - or maybe as the CR90 is to the Small base. Physically.

In universe it makes sense as well; the MC85 is meant to be quite a big step up on the MC80. In game, it would be nice to have a Rebel Huge ship, and there aren't many alternatives.

That said, I'd be fine with it being a Large ship - I just think it would look, feel and work better as a Huge one.

9 hours ago, CDAT said:

And yet the the Quasar fire at 340 meters in length is a medium ship, and the MC30 at about 580 meters is a small base ship so the scale and model size is what ever they want it to be. I am not saying that it would not be a huge ship, I am saying that I am not sold on it being one. I could see it just being slightly larger than the ISD and still counting as a large ship sounds more likely to me. Based on reading up on it I do not see it bring something to the table that would make the jump from large to huge.

There are more determining factors for base size than length alone.

Quasar vs MC30, and Liberty vs Interdictor imply that durability and volume play a role in the the process.

10 hours ago, CDAT said:

And yet the the Quasar fire at 340 meters in length is a medium ship, and the MC30 at about 580 meters is a small base ship so the scale and model size is what ever they want it to be. I am not saying that it would not be a huge ship, I am saying that I am not sold on it being one. I could see it just being slightly larger than the ISD and still counting as a large ship sounds more likely to me. Based on reading up on it I do not see it bring something to the table that would make the jump from large to huge.

Do we really have numbers on the Rebel Quasar?

20 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

Do we really have numbers on the Rebel Quasar?

The Canon Quasar Fire has no listed length, Legends has it at 340 meters.

I think Disney upscaled the Quasar Fire in size similar to the Immobilizer 418 being increased in size to be the Interdictor-class.

Edit: The Phoenix Nest is also listed at 340 meters... the sliding scale is all over the place.

Just now, Piratical Moustache said:

The Canon Quasar Fire has no listed length, Legends has it at 340 meters.

I think Disney upscaled the Quasar Fire in size similar to the Immobilizer 418 being increased in size to be the Interdictor-class.

Yea you get a good look on the episode where ap5 is introduced.

2 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

There are more determining factors for base size than length alone.

Quasar vs MC30, and Liberty vs Interdictor imply that durability and volume play a role in the the process.

Making sure of what you are saying here, the Quasar has six hull, seven shields and engineering of two, the MC30 has four hull, eleven shields, and engineering of three. Of the two ships I would say that the MC30 is the more durable ship, yes less hull but more shields and engineering. Yes the Quasar with it fighter bays is likely the ship with the larger internal volume. So the weaker but larger internal volume ship is medium based, and the tougher but more compact internal volume ship is small based even though it is longer overall?

As for the Liberty and Interdictor the Interdictor has nine hull, nine shields, and five engineering on a medium ship, compared to the Liberty with its eight hull eleven shields, and four engineering on a large hull. The lengths of them are close to each other 1200 meters for the MC80, and 1129 meters for the Liberty, but the MC80 should have much higher internal volume as it has a complement of 36 fighters, 5 shuttles, 2 freighters, and a mixture of ground vehicles. In addition to 5,402 member crew and 1,200 ground troops. Where as the Interdictor has 24 fighters, and a total complement (including ground troops) of around 2,800.

So if I understand you correctly you are saying that the internal volume more than anything else is what make up the size? Looking at the miniatures of the Liberty and Interdictor (yes I know it is a sliding scale) they are very close to the same same, close enough that I am guessing that the scale is close (some one correct me if they are way off). With that assumption it looks like the Interdictor is the bigger overall ship based on length x width x height. As for the Quasar fire and MC30 miniatures it looks to me like the Quasar fire was blown up about twice what it should have been to be in scale with the MC30, now if that is true (again some one if I am way off let me know) I do think that the Quasar fire would be the larger overall ship as the MC30 is a very tight ship. But I think there is more to it than just that as based on this only both sets of ships I think should have been the same size either small/small or medium/medium for the MC30/Quasar fire and medium/medium or large/large for the Liberty/Interdictor.

Now getting back to the MC85 based on what I can find it is 3438.37 (let call it 3500) meters long, with a weapons complement of at least 18 heavy turbolasers, 18 heavy ion cannons, 12 point defense laser cannons, and 6 proton torpedo launchers and 4 fighter squadrons. Now compared to the Super Star Destroyer at 19km long, with 2000 turbolasers, 2000 heavy turbolasers, 250 heavy ion cannons, 500 point defense cannons, and 250 concussion missile batteries and 12 fighter squadrons. Except for the size I think the MC85 fits much better when compared to the ISD I with its length of 1600 meters, 60 heavy turbolasers, 6 duel heavy turbolaser turrets, 2 quad heavy turbolaser, 3 triple medium turbolasers, 2 medium turbolasers, 60 ion cannon, 2 dual heavy ion cannon and 6 fighter squadrons. So as it has less firepower than the ISD I do not see how they could make it a huge ship unless they totally jack up the damage it can do (not beyond the realm of possibility as they have done it before) but make it a large ship with less firepower than the ISD but lots of hull and shields with speed 3 maybe 4 and that looks to fit what I am reading about it. As it is worse than the ISD in every regards when it comes to combat projection but much better shields noted for being fast and being that larger would be able to take some damage I think.

Venator

A rerelease of the Nebulon B in which it could reasonably black dice broadside with an ISD as seen in the battle of Endor without vaporizing.

For fighter squadrons:
U-Wing
THE Gunboat

In the interests of Science, I just measured all my Armada models, and compared them with the Wookieepedia-given lengths.

It's actually a pretty good linear correlation (coefficient of 0.98, or 0.99 with the outlier "fixed"), something like:

• [model length in cm] = 0.01 x [Ship length in m] + 4

The worst fits are the Gozanti (about 21% too short - but the Canon length given is quite a bit longer than the Legends value), Hammerhead (26% too short, but only 13% if I measured it incorrectly) and the Quasar (19% too long - but the Quasar has no Canon length listed, only a Legends one, and they scaled it up a bit for Rebels).

Of course, if we apply the same formula to the MC85 we get a model that's 42cm long - over double the length of the ISD. The SSD comes in at an epic 213cm. So that doesn't work.

The squadrons are also at a different scale. But I'm not getting them out of their boxes to measure them.

13 hours ago, Joe Censored said:

Venator

A rerelease of the Nebulon B in which it could reasonably black dice broadside with an ISD as seen in the battle of Endor without vaporizing.

For fighter squadrons:
U-Wing
THE Gunboat

"Real" star wars answer, it's to close for most of the guns to be able to traverse and hit it. Imagine that at black range you can no longer use your red dice, that's how it's surviving.

The small issue people forget about this pic is notice the CR90 right next to the Neb-B, it's WAY too small for correct scale.

I'd like to see the unique Conqueror-Class Star Destroyer, i've made a (not so good at the moment) model for shapeways, i just need to tweek it a bit so it wont be so back-heavy

(https://www.shapeways.com/product/LYZ6DR52L/armada-conqueror-class-star-destroyer-v1?optionId=65555864)

On 8/31/2018 at 10:41 AM, Piratical Moustache said:

The Canon Quasar Fire has no listed length, Legends has it at 340 meters.

I think Disney upscaled the Quasar Fire in size similar to the Immobilizer 418 being increased in size to be the Interdictor-class.

Edit: The Phoenix Nest is also listed at 340 meters... the sliding scale is all over the place.

I think the Wookiepedia article cites http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Encyclopedia_of_Starfighters_and_Other_Vehicles as the source. Said book also says hammerhead corvettes are longer than Nebulons.

This is one of the better images showing the scale honestly.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwarsrebels/images/3/35/The_Forgotten_Droid_33.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20160317014500

I hate how it keeps resizing the image.

19 hours ago, JetStorm91 said:

I'd like to see the unique Conqueror-Class Star Destroyer, i've made a (not so good at the moment) model for shapeways, i just need to tweek it a bit so it wont be so back-heavy

(https://www.shapeways.com/product/LYZ6DR52L/armada-conqueror-class-star-destroyer-v1?optionId=65555864)

That URL doesn't seem to be working.

57 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

That URL doesn't seem to be working.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/LYZ6DR52L/armada-conqueror-class-star-destroyer-v1?optionId=65555864

Fixed (hopefully) if not, go to this one

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/golden-eagle-games

20 hours ago, JetStorm91 said:

I'd like to see the unique Conqueror-Class Star Destroyer, i've made a (not so good at the moment) model for shapeways, i just need to tweek it a bit so it wont be so back-heavy

(https://www.shapeways.com/product/LYZ6DR52L/armada-conqueror-class-star-destroyer-v1?optionId=65555864)

No too overpowered

On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 12:11 AM, Piratical Moustache said:

The only real guideline is that it's a Rebel or Imperial ship.

So, I am going to bend the rules a bit. But I mean the ship is from an Empire. Not necessarily the Empire.

How about the Harrower-class dreadnought

At the moment I'm most keen to see ST era ships, so the MC85 Star Cruiser (Raddus), Nebulon C frigate, Virgillia bunkerbuster, and Vakbeor frigate for the Resistance.

Then Resurgent-class Star Destroyer (Finalizer), Mandator IV Dreadnaught (Fulminatrix), Maxima-A heavy cruiser (Poe Dameron comics) and the Light Cruiser (TFA and Poe Dameron comic) for the First Order. I have mixed feelings about whether I would want the Mega-class Star Dreadnought in the game.

On 8/31/2018 at 6:59 AM, Grumbleduke said:

In universe it makes sense as well; the MC85 is meant to be quite a big step up on the MC80. In game, it would be nice to have a Rebel Huge ship, and there aren't many alternatives.

I really don't see the MC85 (or the Resurgent) as huge ships. The Executor is presented as this awe-inspiring ship of great size and capability, visibly dwarfing the Star Destroyers around it. That's a huge ship- something that makes a point of being bigger than everything that came before it.

Since neither of the NT ships approaches that size, really, I see them as being hull 10+ large ships with batteries slightly larger than the heavies in play now. They'll make an impact by having two upgrade slots naturally on the big ships (like standard Resurgent comes with two weapons teams or something) around the 160 point level. If SSDs end up as one-ship lists in competitive play, These new hyper larges would approach that category as well, but be a little more practical about it.

Of the NT, it's the Mandator IV that will be a huge ship since it makes a big deal of being visibly larger than any of the other ships contemporary with it. But like dealing with the subjugator if it ever came to the game, the engine needs a mechanism to deal with starships firing one (or two) massive cannons instead of clusters of turbolasers and smaller guns.

1 hour ago, redxavier said:

Im sorry, you appear lost. The forum for terrible scifi art is here.