1 minute ago, Admiral Calkins said:

I feel like we are just having this same discussion over and over under different (recent) post threads. So here goes. I think it is more useful to determine what is probable as opposed to possible for what capital ships FFG will eventually bring to Armada. Every single capital ship we have seen so far in the game, whether canon or not, has been utilized by that specific faction in a Star Wars movie, tv series, or (non-mod) video game covering the GCW, so it is reasonable to expect that FFG will continue this in Armada right until they make the jump to CW or ST. That removes the Marsheem, Rebel One, Lucrehulk, Secutor, and Imperial Escort Carrier.

Of the remaining ships, I do not believe we will ever see the Tector or the Wingless Liberty in the game. Armada does not need another ISD (can we all just admit the Tector shot in RotJ was just a mistake?) or a Mon Cal ship that looks strikingly similar to Home One to the layman. And even though it was in Rebels, I do not see a place for the Imperial Container Transport in Armada, which is about ship combat.

That leaves the Braha'tok/Dornean Gunship, DP20/Corellian Gunship, Imperial Support Vessel, Carrack, and the Venator. Yes please. For all of them.

And this list does not include a lot of the other capital ships from SW video games, specifically Empire at War, such as the Broadside Cruiser, Acclimator, or Tartan Patrol Cruiser, that other players are familiar with and would like to see (or not).

(This obviously doesn't include the idea of cross faction ships, such as the Phoenix Nest)

Key word being canon ships.

Not trying to be rude, but this is the distinguishing point of the OP.

2 minutes ago, Forresto said:

I'm not inherently against this BUT...

Rebels have more variety of play styles in their ships.

The Imperials slightly less so.

The Quasar is one of the few squishy Imperial ships and must be treated as such.

Maybe true but you can't deny that the Rebels need another medium ship.

Just now, Thrindal said:

Maybe true but you can't deny that the Rebels need another medium ship.

Oh absolutely.

I actually think the wingless liberty type could be made a medium base ship like the Interdictor if they're truly scrounging.

12 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Key word being canon ships.

Not trying to be rude, but this is the distinguishing point of the OP.

Not being rude at all. But the OP asked which of the canon ships he mentioned might make it in a future wave and I was providing an opinion, supported by evidence, of why or why not they would be included by FFG.

I removed the last line about EaW so that there is no confusion in the future.

31 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Not being rude at all. But the OP asked which of the canon ships he mentioned might make it in a future wave and I was providing an opinion, supported by evidence, of why or why not they would be included by FFG.

I removed the last line about EaW so that there is no confusion in the future.

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I think the Armada fan base is a serious (for lack of a better term) group of fans that would enjoy comic/novel based ships in the game. If FFG needs the ship(s) in question onscreen to be able to use them, then GCW based Armada is in trouble.

Yes, you could say that I am Relentless about the Secutor-class.

14 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

I could only find the Legends info on the MC80A, it basically says that they were of various design, and we're all converted Mon Cal cruise ships. The interesting thing I found was this little nugget, "Yet another subclass shared its design with the MC80 Liberty type Star Cruiser, without the extended wing-sections, thus cutting down on the amount of shield and tractor beam projectors as well as gun batteries. The lightened cruiser countered with an extra thruster at the rear, in place of the ventral main sensor array, that increased its maneuverability.^[10] Many of these vessels were used by the Rebel Alliance at the Battle of Endor in 4 ABY. They made up the bulk of the heavy warships, along with the MC80 Liberty type and the MC80 Home One type.^[10][11]"

So there is a good argument to be made for a more maneuverable, lighter armed version of the liberty. Possibly even as a Medium.

Not that I am against getting this ship, but if the MC80 Liberty is a large base, and lets call this the MC80 Wingless is based on it, just with out the wings would that not make it just as long? If that is the case (and I do not know) then would it not also be a large base ship just with more speed (maybe), better maneuverability (likely), less shields (likely), and firepower (likely)? I could also see switching up what upgrades it could have.

1 hour ago, Admiral Calkins said:

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Of the remaining ships, I do not believe we will ever see the Tector or the Wingless Liberty in the game. Armada does not need another ISD (can we all just admit the Tector shot in RotJ was just a mistake?) or a Mon Cal ship that looks strikingly similar to Home One to the layman. And even though it was in Rebels, I do not see a place for the Imperial Container Transport in Armada, which is about ship combat.

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Question first why do you think that the Tector is a mistake? I do not know much about it, but the little that I have read online said that it was deliberately put in there, now maybe the writer of the articles did not know what they were talking about and I have no idea where it was any more that I read this or if they even really had any idea what they were talking about. But based on what I have read and how many times I see that ship come up as people wanting it I am guessing that we all can not admit it was a mistake, but just a guess.

3 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Yes it is.

Can I get a source for that, please? Because I’ve only ever seen it in an old comic (and so has Wookieepedia.)

12 minutes ago, CDAT said:

Question first why do you think that the Tector is a mistake? I do not know much about it, but the little that I have read online said that it was deliberately put in there, now maybe the writer of the articles did not know what they were talking about and I have no idea where it was any more that I read this or if they even really had any idea what they were talking about. But based on what I have read and how many times I see that ship come up as people wanting it I am guessing that we all can not admit it was a mistake, but just a guess.

During the Battle of Endor in RotJ, the Millennium Falcon flies across the Tector. The Tector model has a covered hanger bay, which would be different from another ISD, it also seems to be flying upside down compared to the other Star Destroyers. I know there are numerous threads here and on other forums supporting the Tector’s existence and/or why it was flying upside down, but it just seems like a movie mistake that was much later put into canon through a cross-sections book (Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross Sections, 2007) and later a Disney Canon book (The Rise of the Empire, 2015).

31 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

During the Battle of Endor in RotJ, the Millennium Falcon flies across the Tector. The Tector model has a covered hanger bay, which would be different from another ISD, it also seems to be flying upside down compared to the other Star Destroyers. I know there are numerous threads here and on other forums supporting the Tector’s existence and/or why it was flying upside down, but it just seems like a movie mistake that was much later put into canon through a cross-sections book (Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross Sections, 2007) and later a Disney Canon book (The Rise of the Empire, 2015).

I wanted to have the Tector as an ISD with more dice and higher hull value, it was essentially an Imperial I variant that was all in on ship to ship combat.

The Kuat and Cymoon refits weaken the Tector's chances unfortunately.

2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

The Kuat and Cymoon refits weaken the Tector's chances unfortunately.

True, although I would like to see an ISD with no squadron value ( either larger weapons bay or much cheaper ship) I dont think they will add another ISD ship unless they add as a card only extension.

Dreadnought and Assault Frigate Mark I , those are the two ships I would like to see, but what I would like to see more?

more OT era shows and films like Rebels and Rogue One, depicting proper space battles and canonize all the ships we mention in these forums.

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Can I get a source for that, please? Because I’ve only ever seen it in an old comic (and so has Wookieepedia.)

I was honestly under the impression that that comic was done under Disney.

Still makes sense though.

Just read several comments on the Rebels "needing" another medium based ship. Why? Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have but who says that any given fleet needs any given size. There is no reason why any given nation/state would have a military doctrine calling upon the use of any given size or class of ship. Further, given that the rebels rely heavily of ships that can be stolen or have defected. Smaller ships are more likely to fit that criteria than mediums or larges. As for the MCs, well that is a simple matter of what we see in movies. Imps are more likely to go in for large ships that can be used to intimidate, small ships don't really intimidate pirates flying an armed Action VI nearly as much as a victory. Small or large base, does it really matter as long as it fits thematically?

I wouldn't mind the MC80A coming in as a "home one" variant a la chimaera, but with a whole new miniature and a slightly revised armament. I'm wary of adding too many ships "just cuz" in the existing design space.

55 minutes ago, Grand Admiral Buford said:

Just read several comments on the Rebels "needing" another medium based ship. Why? Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have but who says that any given fleet needs any given size. There is no reason why any given nation/state would have a military doctrine calling upon the use of any given size or class of ship. Further, given that the rebels rely heavily of ships that can be stolen or have defected. Smaller ships are more likely to fit that criteria than mediums or larges. As for the MCs, well that is a simple matter of what we see in movies. Imps are more likely to go in for large ships that can be used to intimidate, small ships don't really intimidate pirates flying an armed Action VI nearly as much as a victory. Small or large base, does it really matter as long as it fits thematically?

It's more along the lines that fleets would require not only large cruiser class ships which would be the ISD and the MC80 and MC75 but small corvette and frigate class ships for escort and defense of the cruisers. Unfortunately the game designed Corvette and frigate size ships as small ships with little to differentiate between them. The medium base then becomes an important size class as they are capable of engaging small base ships and can come up on top and at least pose a threat to the large base ships. Medium base ships should theoretically be used to support the large base ships while small base are both to support the medium base as well as probe the enemy formation to draw off the medium base and small base ships so the large base ships can Duke it out. Now this is not really feasible in armada due to point limits for standard play and it gets tedious with larger games to keep track of dozens of ships at a time.

3 minutes ago, Colindarklighter said:

It's more along the lines that fleets would require not only large cruiser class ships which would be the ISD and the MC80 and MC75 but small corvette and frigate class ships for escort and defense of the cruisers. Unfortunately the game designed Corvette and frigate size ships as small ships with little to differentiate between them. The medium base then becomes an important size class as they are capable of engaging small base ships and can come up on top and at least pose a threat to the large base ships. Medium base ships should theoretically be used to support the large base ships while small base are both to support the medium base as well as probe the enemy formation to draw off the medium base and small base ships so the large base ships can Duke it out. Now this is not really feasible in armada due to point limits for standard play and it gets tedious with larger games to keep track of dozens of ships at a time.

As a former player of WWI and WWII naval minis with ACW ironclads thrown in just for fun, I understand the point you make. I was only pointing out that while it would make good tactical sense to have a well rounded fleet, the very nature of the SW universe makes for a situation where, at least the Rebs are "run whut ya brung". Consider stealing or convincing the entire crew of something the size of a Vic to defect vs. A CR-90. I am looking at it from a practical in universe view. As a rebel player, bring on the mediums, I just don't see many options is all.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that FFG did a bad job with scaling certain ships. In my opinion, the MC 30 should have been a medium base ship and I feel the pelta should have been one as well. I think the imperial ships were scaled well but I think they dropped the ball a little on rebel scaling.

8 hours ago, Thrindal said:

The Rebels could use a dedicated carrier.

We know! They've been taking one to the top tables of nearly every major tournament for the last three years!

1 hour ago, LostFleet said:

Dreadnought and Assault Frigate Mark I , those are the two ships I would like to see, but what I would like to see more?

more OT era shows and films like Rebels and Rogue One, depicting proper space battles and canonize all the ships we mention in these forums.

I think the Empire should get the Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser, because the Rebels struggled to find the 16,000 crewmen per ship, that's why the Assault Frigates were developed. I want the Mk I because it bugs me that we have the Mk II but not the predecessor as well.

The "Imperial Support Vessel" is getting has probably killed our chances of getting either.

10 hours ago, Forresto said:

Imperial

Im not against a new Imperial flotilla, but that's more because Imperials need more ships that aren't subject to "the Imperial tax" than a need for a new Flotilla.

Id rather get a real ship that feels properly costed for its abilities rather than an undercosted ship to give Imperials an edge.

2 hours ago, LostFleet said:

more OT era shows and films like Rebels and Rogue One, depicting proper space battles and canonize all the ships we mention in these forums.

The Force Awakens should have started with the Battle of Jakku like Episode III with the Battle of Coruscant as a sort of flashback scene.

Jakku should've been an oceanic world. Imagine Rey's intro scene as this: She is walking across a sandy beach with rusted metal visible in places. As she gets her diving gear on Rey passes a metal dome covered in moss before she gets into the water. The camera zooms out to reveal part of the island is in fact the bridge tower of an Imperial Star Destroyer, and the rest of the ship perfectly visible in the clear ocean water, with a developing coral reef on the bow.

More awe inspiring visuals than an ISD plowed into a desert I think, and Lucasfilm's original version was an oceanic planet with "Venice" built around an ISD as an anchor.

The Interdictor Imperial Star Destroyer.

18 minutes ago, Varyag said:

The Interdictor Imperial Star Destroyer.

You mean this?

The new Interdictor-class Star Destroyer effectively replaced the gravity well refit of the Imperial-class, which kind of stinks, because this ship is very cool.

on the rebel side we still do not have the two ships Mel named "MC20" and "Sullustan dreadnaugh" and which had a few second screen time in RotJ

Acclamator is more than canon, even if mostly Prequel ship, can go both sides.

Rebel Quasar is a "Rebels" thing, should be an armada thing too

Though one has yet to be visual represented on screen or in a comic, the Starhawk is canon from the Aftermath series.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Though one has yet to be visual represented on screen or in a comic, the Starhawk is canon from the Aftermath series.

I left out the Starhawk for a couple of reasons, the first being it has next to no details or Canon image. The second being it's said to be a New Republic ship made after the Battle of Endor. So far Armada has been from the Battle of Scarif to the Battle of Endor chronologically, and going forward in time could create complications.