1 hour ago, Vontoothskie said:

Couldnt hsve said it better myself.

I bought saws renegades because I can play it in 1.0 with my collection AND i can run a few X-wings with Saw in 2.0 at the local store, but thats it.

2.0 is a worse version of the game experience so far as i'm concerned, with a garbage digital component and way more convoluted rules. I mostly play homebrew and epic, and tournaments are for toxic nerds to get worked up about dominating eachother... so yeah. 2.0 just sells me a worse way to play my collection. Itll take something special to draw me in

It's so funny that you call them toxic nerds when you do a lot of toxic posting. The rules actually got a decent bit easier. Somethings do still need to be ironned out, but that was bound to happen. Really the only big one, and only big because of the corusant open, is boba fett. The FAQ can clear up a few of the smaller other ones.

If you have played 2.0 at all, you would also realize it's no where near as limiting as one might expect. Having gotten quite a few games in I keep having to rake my brain for possible combos I over looked because of my 1.0 ways. Lots come up, and the local group also has found stuff that is truly fun to play/fight.

And Darth Meanie, aren't you moving the goal post again? Didn't you say you would by into 2.0 if they released clone wars era stuff and another thing which I forget. Now you changed your mind? I mean it's your stuff and your money, I just have a feeling both of you two are scared of the change at this point.

1 hour ago, ObiWonka said:

Guys this is sarcasm. Please stop quoting it.

Yeah sorry, but the edited light gray "/s" isn't very obvious.

1 hour ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

It's so funny that you call them toxic nerds when you do a lot of toxic posting. The rules actually got a decent bit easier. Somethings do still need to be ironned out, but that was bound to happen. Really the only big one, and only big because of the corusant open, is boba fett. The FAQ can clear up a few of the smaller other ones.

If you have played 2.0 at all, you would also realize it's no where near as limiting as one might expect. Having gotten quite a few games in I keep having to rake my brain for possible combos I over looked because of my 1.0 ways. Lots come up, and the local group also has found stuff that is truly fun to play/fight.

And Darth Meanie, aren't you moving the goal post again? Didn't you say you would by into 2.0 if they released clone wars era stuff and another thing which I forget. Now you changed your mind? I mean it's your stuff and your money, I just have a feeling both of you two are scared of the change at this point.

Toxic is a term which describes bullying behaviour, harrassment, disrepectful conduct and general bad behaviour on the boards. Feel free to read back through my threads and comments to discover for yourself I dont do that. I do periodically enjoy telling forum bullies that theyre behaving badly, but we all have our vices. I advocate for polite conversation from myself and others, so we should get along fine

On topic of nastiness though, you seem to think that if we dont like what you like (2.0) then we're incorrect or misinformed. I'm glad you like 2.0, but I dont. I dont enjoy smart phones in board games or spending money unneccessarily, so its not really up my alley. Its also split the community and made most of my playgroup quit. Still, my displeasure with FFG doesnt bar me from civilly talking about the game.

On that note, Disagreement of opinion should not cause you to level multiple accusations against someone, ranging from toxicity to dishonesty to cowardice, all of which you have done above.

In short, no one is trying to fight you, we're all here to talk about the game and have fun. Be polite

2 hours ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

And Darth Meanie, aren't you moving the goal post again? Didn't you say you would by into 2.0 if they released clone wars era stuff and another thing which I forget. Now you changed your mind? I mean it's your stuff and your money, I just have a feeling both of you two are scared of the change at this point.

Yeah, I freely admit I am moving the goal post all over the f*cking place.

All I can really say is that you are getting the real me, day by day.

I think 2.0 has opened up a ton of design space. I like some of the new game mechanics. The Force is cool. Calculate as a way to define droids is cool. 7 factions and the Prequels is cool.

I'm neutral on the app, because I freely admit I would use an online builder anyway.

But I'm pissed Epic was left in the dust. I don't like that, for the moment, the game got smaller rather than larger. I don't like that new ship design has slowed to a crawl with the need to rerelease everything as a 2.0 product. I also think 2.0 has made it clear that FFG only cares about one kind of player--and it isn't the players that play this game the way I do. I also am very mistrustful of the fact that no game component is ever finished. I mistrust that the problems of 1.0 won't simply creep I to the game again. As a casual player, my 1.0 game wasn't broken, I think bans would have helped 1.0 a ton, and I think 2.0 might have been more heavy-handed than it needed to be in terms of letting players blend the two together. Not all of us want to jump--but the message is more "convert or die."

So, in the moment, all I can say is that I have preordered a 2.0 starter set, and there are moments when I regret that.

I spent a crap-ton of money on 1.0. I need to decide if that was a wise investment, and more importantly if spending money on 2.0 is prudent given that FFG doesn't seem to care about casual, non-standard, thematic, narrative play. 2.0 and the app are about manipulating the meta; I'm less certain it will cater to homebrew, end-user driven, "relive the movie battles," Star Wars play.

Thus, in the big picture, as an Imperial and Epic player, I often think "you screwed my game." But as a future Republic player, I occasionally think "where are my new ships?"

I agree that buying more than 1 conversion kit per faction is foolhardy. They have announced there will be a way to get the cards and components for re-released ships without buying the ships. I'll make do with what I have, and I'll be picking up a boatload of whatever pack TIE interceptors come in because I've got 8 of them. I'll buy one pack with the new TIE striker stuff because I have one ship more than the conversion kit converts. I think being patient (or borrowing in the mean time) is the optimal plan.

20 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

People need to stop saying they want to convert everything with these, it is infact foolish to do so outside wave 1 content.

Why should I not want to use all the toys I've already invested in? If you don't share that opinion you don't have to convert all your ships but I want to.

So I guess the answer to my OP is "no one knows but will sure as **** ***** given any opportunity on this forum". Should've seen that coming...

7 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yeah sorry, but the edited light gray "/s" isn't very obvious.

Jokes aren't as funny when you have to explain them.

Anyway, I do agree that anyone who actually threw away their 1e stuff was foolish.

6 hours ago, Smutpedler said:

Why should I not want to use all the toys I've already invested in? If you don't share that opinion you don't have to convert all your ships but I want to.

Calm down dude, see @Parakitor post above? That was my point. You said money was an issue for you. Spend what you want I don’t care and when you realize there was a better way you’ll come back complaining you have to buy more stuff! Screw FFG! Whatever man do what you want.

Once more: the conversation kits allow you to use at least 2 of every ship released in 1.0 right away in 2.0. However, they only fully convert ships released in wave 1, since that's all they had 100% locked down in design. FFG has stated that they are putting out shipless expansions for released ships so those of us with those ship models already aren't paying for a model we don't need/want, but need/want the cardboard and cards that come with them. More than likely, we will be getting more pilots in these expansions as well!

So, my best recommendation for cost savings would be to get the new core set and wait for those shipless expansions to drop.

If you want to fly ships from later waves, grab the core and the conversion kits to convert a good chunk of the ships you own to fly now with minimal upgrades and wait for the shipless packs to optimize down the road when everyone can.

34 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Once more: the conversation kits allow you to use at least 2 of every ship released in 1.0 right away in 2.0. However, they only fully convert ships released in wave 1, since that's all they had 100% locked down in design. FFG has stated that they are putting out shipless expansions for released ships so those of us with those ship models already aren't paying for a model we don't need/want, but need/want the cardboard and cards that come with them. More than likely, we will be getting more pilots in these expansions as well!

So, my best recommendation for cost savings would be to get the new core set and wait for those shipless expansions to drop.

If you want to fly ships from later waves, grab the core and the conversion kits to convert a good chunk of the ships you own to fly now with minimal upgrades and wait for the shipless packs to optimize down the road when everyone can.

The only problem with this concept is that it’s already been shown by the contents of the conversion kits that the card only path is not going to include a dial most likely, the baggie included in the conversions only includes pilots and cardboard base tokens (no dials). So if you want to convert ships you already have it looks like the kits are going to be the only place to get the dials. Hopefully I’ve got most of my overages covered with one kit and trading locally.

1 hour ago, LordFajubi said:

Calm down dude, see @Parakitor post above? That was my point. You said money was an issue for you. Spend what you want I don’t care and when you realize there was a better way you’ll come back complaining you have to buy more stuff! Screw FFG! Whatever man do what you want.

I’m perfectly calm. It was a simple question as you refer to it as “foolish” and not just in my context but to anyone who wants to convert their entire collection. It seems you’re incapable of a reasonable discussion and want to put words in my mouth and tell me what I’m going to do in the future. Your hostility is simply baffling to me but hey, I should have learnt after 3 years any discussion on here goes that way. Cheers!

19 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

With no Epic on the horizon, I could really care less about 2.0. I'm basically forced to play 1.0, officially speaking.

I'm sorry I can't remember where I read it, but I did see from an FFG Source that Epic conversion will be coming down the road. I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until after the first round of balance fixes, though. On the other hand, I guess they don't have to, since costs and upgrade slots aren't on the cards.

Second thought, will there be a First Order Epic ship? That's an exciting thought.

19 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Couldnt hsve said it better myself.

Wow, talk about damning with faint praise...

16 hours ago, Parakitor said:

I agree that buying more than 1 conversion kit per faction is foolhardy. They have announced there will be a way to get the cards and components for re-released ships without buying the ships. I'll make do with what I have, and I'll be picking up a boatload of whatever pack TIE interceptors come in because I've got 8 of them. I'll buy one pack with the new TIE striker stuff because I have one ship more than the conversion kit converts. I think being patient (or borrowing in the mean time) is the optimal plan.

What they announced was there would be a way to purchase “new content” without buying new ships. No one has defined specifically what “new content” is but it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think dials may not be considered “new content” as they are released in conversion kits which are specifically to convert existing ships to 2.0. “New content” isn’t necessarily a mini conversion kit; it could literally just be ship tiles and pilot/upgrade cards. The fact is we just don’t know yet and it’s only supposition right now. Imho; making assumptuons is foolhardy.

45 minutes ago, Hobbyist said:

I'm sorry I can't remember where I read it, but I did see from an FFG Source that Epic conversion will be coming down the road. I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until after the first round of balance fixes, though. On the other hand, I guess they don't have to, since costs and upgrade slots aren't on the cards.

Second thought, will there be a First Order Epic ship? That's an exciting thought.

Last I heard, the only official position was "just keep playing epic." Which isn't much of a promise at all.

Although I would be pretty excited about a Republic Corvette .

2 minutes ago, Smutpedler said:

What they announced was there would be a way to purchase “new content” without buying new ships. No one has defined specifically “new content” is but it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think dials may not be considered “new content” as they are released in conversion kits which are specifically to convert existing ships to 2.0. “New content” isn’t necessarily a mini conversion kit; it could literally just be ship tiles and pilot/upgrade cards. The fact is we just don’t know yet and it’s only supposition right now. Imho; making assumptuons is foolhardy.

This is a really solid point, and something I hadn't considered before. You absolutely may be right: they may withhold dials and tokens, making them essentially card-only packs, except of course for the ship tokens that are necessary for the new pilots. If they take that kind of approach with very minimal content in these "shipless expansions," it would make sense to buy another conversion kit for more dials. I had been so focused on the conversion kit content, that I forgot to take into account that the Wave 1 baggies don't have dials in them. Interesting.

4 hours ago, Smutpedler said:

I’m perfectly calm. It was a simple question as you refer to it as “foolish” and not just in my context but to anyone who wants to convert their entire collection. It seems you’re incapable of a reasonable discussion and want to put words in my mouth and tell me what I’m going to do in the future. Your hostility is simply baffling to me but hey, I should have learnt after 3 years any discussion on here goes that way. Cheers!

I’ve been beyond stressed lately so I appoligize if you took my response as hostile. You did bring up a valid point and I feel there will be several people upset if you are correct. I have to admit though you may very well be. This deal gets worse all the time.

2 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

This deal gets worse all the time.

When life hands you starfighers, make uglies?

9 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

I’ve been beyond stressed lately so I appoligize if you took my response as hostile. You did bring up a valid point and I feel there will be several people upset if you are correct. I have to admit though you may very well be. This deal gets worse all the time.

Thank you for the apology and sorry to hear you're so stressed. That is pretty much the crux of my concern there though; say I can afford 1 conversion kit per month and dials won't be available as part of the new content packs. Then I have 7-8 months of buying conversion kits and no new ships but if I get to month 4-5 and they're sold out with no further print runs; I end up with a whole lot of ships I can never use again nor sell on. I'm not saying it will happen nor that it won't. We really just don't know yet. FFG also have a tendency to underestimate demand on products, IA was sold out for a long time after the first run sold out, Destiny's first set was gone in a day from the store I owned at the time, k-wings selling for £45 on the secondary market, etc.

I'm not saying the sky is falling and it's ultimately on me I bought so many ships but if there are going to be limited numbers available; I'd prefer to know sooner rather than later whilst my ships still hold some value for resale. That way I could sell off anything not covered by one kit and re-buy when the re-releases become available (if I even want to at that point). It's just a case of juggling logistics but I have no idea if I need to juggle or not. Overall I think FFG have handled the transition reasonably well but for me I simply can't afford to panic buy in the case of low/limited print runs.

My guess would be that FFG keeps the conversion kits in print until all of the 1st edition ships have been re-released. But once that last 1st edition ship is re-released, I would wonder how long they keep the conversion kits in print. That being said, another FFG game with a conversion kit, Descent, still has its conversion kit available today, 6 years after the conversion kit was first released (on 1 August 2012).

Well, I just had a conversation with a friend who owns a gaming store in another city and he offered to buy in everything I need and let me buy it at trade price as and when I can afford it. Looks like my problems are solved