Something that popped up on FB and got me thinking; does anyone have any definitive knowledge on whether the conversion kits are a limited run or will be a stock product for a while and phased out?

My main concern here is I can't afford to convert all my ships in one hit; it's likely to take me 6 months or so to afford to do so as I have a huge collection. If these are a limited print run it could end up being problematic for me and I'm keen to find out before I commit a lot of monies.

Feel free to speculate all you want but I'm hoping someone here has some contact with FFG/Asmodee and has an informed answer. Thanks!

15 minutes ago, Smutpedler said:

i  t's  likely to take me 6 months or so to afford to  do so as I have a huge collecti  o  n.  

Just pointing out that it might be a mistake to convert your whole collection.

we don‘t know yet.

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Just pointing out that it might be a mistake to convert your whole collection.

we don‘t know yet.

This is true; it would, however, be my preference assuming FFG hasn't seriously dropped the ball with 2.0. I like list building options I'm also very used to being able to dip in and out of whatever I feel like flying and would like to still be able to do so eventually.

I wouldn't worry.

I feel FFG has to assume that not everyone will be converting all at once at the start. There are a number of reasons why people might want conversion kits down the line. Imagine, for example that you've stopped playing 1e and so haven't been keeping up with news, and only find about 2e months after it's out.

I would expect FFG to keep the kits stocked for at least a year, probably longer.

Ffg will do what is best for them not what is best for us. You can debate that doing what’s best for us is for them but I really feel that is just not true. They are, very likely, losing money long term on these kits. New players and very left wing casuals can drop a fraction and have tons to play with and never spend a further dime on the game outside third party. Older players have their chance to starter kit their collections fulfilling ffg’s promise of conversion but at the end of the day they need to sell new ships.

That means new customers and old customers buying ships. I’m not stating one way or the other really but it’s not good business to print these things too long. I think we’ll see another run for sure but after that I have serious doubts they’ll make any more. I mean what are you going to do after buying a couple, just say screw it and count it money lost or buy what you need to play with what you have?

Hope this doesn’t rial people because I don’t have the energy to care but I’d personally get what you need as soon as possible as far as conversions go. The upside is you really only need 1 of any faction. People need to stop saying they want to convert everything with these, it is infact foolish to do so outside wave 1 content.

3 hours ago, Smutpedler said:

Something that popped up on FB and got me thinking; does anyone have any definitive knowledge on whether the conversion kits are a limited run or will be a stock product for a while and phased out?

My main concern here is I can't afford to convert all my ships in one hit; it's likely to take me 6 months or so to afford to do so as I have a huge collection.

I doubt you are alone in the cost issue. So, I think demand will exist for awhile, and the kits will stay in stock until demand dwindles.

2 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

I would expect FFG to keep the kits stocked for at least a year, probably longer.

Agreed.

15 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Ffg will do what is best for them not what is best for us. You can debate that doing what’s best for us is for them but I really feel that is just not true. They are, very likely, losing money long term on these kits. New players and very left wing casuals can drop a fraction and have tons to play with and never spend a further dime on the game outside third party. Older players have their chance to starter kit their collections fulfilling ffg’s promise of conversion but at the end of the day they need to sell new ships.

Hope this doesn’t rial people because I don’t have the energy to care but I’d personally get what you need as soon as possible as far as conversions go. The upside is you really only need 1 of any faction . People need to stop saying they want to convert everything with these, it is infact foolish to do so outside wave 1 content.

Well, they would like to sell new ships, but for my part, why the heck would I buy something I own??

They could get me to buy the occasional resculpt or repaint (which, TBH, the few tiny mods I've seen currently are not enough of a stimulus), but other than that I've got 14 Waves of 2.0 to watch go by before I need to get out my wallet again.

Lastly, for my part, the only faction I might convert is First Order. And my rational for that is that it is incomplete--the conversion will cost less, and the new ships to flesh it out will be 2.0 anyways.

Then I will probably buy Republic, whenever that hits the market.

But Empire, Rebels and S&V? Yeah, just gonna play 1.0 forever.

17 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

They are, very likely, losing money long term on these kits

17 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

really but it’s not good business to print these things too long.

You have literally zero basis for that opinion.

You cannot possibly know what the P/L accounting on these kits is.

I could just as easily argue that given how ****ing expensive the kits are for essentially just being boxes of cardboard that they may well be making a healthy return on them. I have all the information for that judgement you do.

20 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

and very left wing casuals

What do their political leanings have anything to do with this?

21 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

I mean what are you going to do after buying a couple, just say screw it and count it money lost or buy what you need to play with what you have?

There's too many indefinite terms in this sentence, I don't know what you're saying.

23 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

The upside is you really only need 1 of any faction. People need to stop saying they want to convert everything with these, it is infact foolish to do so outside wave 1 content.

I really don't think that's for you to decide. If someone wants to run a 4x Blue Squad B-Wing at launch, they need two kits. If they're happy to spend the money on that, then what's the problem?

Speculation: it is reasonnable to believe that stores will at first pack a lot of conversion kits and then the demand will drop slowly. Afterwards, it might be safer to order some from your local store for down the road, like let's say Christmas. I definitely think that you will be safe for the 6 months period. The conversion kits for Resistance and First Order won't be out at the same time as the others (I think), so it would look really bad if FFG could not supply the old ones along with the new.

EDIT: I will point out that pre-ordering is a sure way to avoid headaches on this one. I have no idea how many the local players will buy in my area or if stocks will run out.

4 hours ago, Smutpedler said:

Something that popped up on FB and got me thinking; does anyone have any definitive knowledge on whether the conversion kits are a limited run or will be a stock product for a while and phased out?

My main concern here is I can't afford to convert all my ships in one hit; it's likely to take me 6 months or so to afford to do so as I have a huge collection. If these are a limited print run it could end up being problematic for me and I'm keen to find out before I commit a lot of monies.

Feel free to speculate all you want but I'm hoping someone here has some contact with FFG/Asmodee and has an informed answer. Thanks!

My FLGS told me that they have been informed that there's not enough conversion kits to go around in the initial shipment so stores will be allocated a number in order to ration them out.

True? Dunno. Just passing on what was said.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

But Empire, Rebels and S&V? Yeah, just gonna play 1.0 forever.

And that’s the beauty of it brother. There is no wrong answer. Several people want to draw lines and that is the problem with the world today, everyone has to have a side. I convert the core 3 because I wanted to believe the game mechanics would improve ,and so far not as convinced as some but still hopeful, and those 3 are the only ones I care about(scum being a distant 3rd but um Boba Fett). Give a flit less about ST and look forward to the republic, the birth of my beloved empire. But do you bro, this game is what we make it and too many make it a have to not a want to.

6 minutes ago, GuacCousteau said:

?

11 minutes ago, SOTL said:

My FLGS told me that they have been informed that there's not enough conversion kits to go around in the initial shipment so stores will be allocated a number in order to ration them out.

True? Dunno. Just passing on what was said.

Well, in a certain way, that's good news, because they will need another print run or two. . .

4 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

And that’s the beauty of it brother. There is no wrong answer. Several people want to draw lines and that is the problem with the world today, everyone has to have a side. I convert the core 3 because I wanted to believe the game mechanics would improve ,and so far not as convinced as some but still hopeful, and those 3 are the only ones I care about(scum being a distant 3rd but um Boba Fett). Give a flit less about ST and look forward to the republic, the birth of my beloved empire. But do you bro, this game is what we make it and too many make it a have to not a want to.

That's the key right now. The view of many players locally is cautious optimism. If 2e tanks, we still have 1e to play. When new ships are released for 2e, we can house rule the Stats.

2 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

You have literally zero basis for that opinion.

You cannot possibly know what the P/L accounting on these kits is.

I could just as easily argue that given how ****ing expensive the kits are for essentially just being boxes of cardboard that they may well be making a healthy return on them. I have all the information for that judgement you do.

Actually, he does have a basis for that opinion. He should've said "too many" rather than "too long" though.

FFG needs to walk two tightropes simultaneously. The first is cost of production vs quantity produced and the second is pricing vs expected sales. There's a term used called the "Efficient Frontier", IIRC. It's basically a description of balancing costs, sales and pricing. A quick and easy way to visualize this is drawing an "X" on a standard X-Y graph. If the vertical axis is "cost per unit" and the horizontal axis is production, then the intersection of lines drawn, based on real numbers, is the most efficient combination. However the quantity produced is based on the expected sales and that is based on pricing.

One of the considerations for pricing the conversion kits is expected sales. It's probable that FFG will reduce their profit margin on the conversions to entice more current 1E players to head over to the 2E side of things. It's also possible that FFG may reduce their profit on the conversions to near "zero" and offer them as a "Lost Leader" item in order to maximize sales of 2E expacs. A lot depends on their marketing strategy and on orders from "On High".

So, Lord Fajubi's comments that you described as "having no basis in fact" really do have a basis in fact. If FFG orders too many kits produced to get a great cost per unit and over prices them or over estimate sales, they sit on a large chunk inventory. And that equals a lot of money. It's not necessary to know exact numbers to understand the problems. There are other things to consider that will effect costs and sales. For instance, length of production runs, life expectancy of dies, new ship runs etc..

3 hours ago, Stoneface said:

If 2e tanks, we still have 1e to play.

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

1 minute ago, ObiWonka said:

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

No the smart ones don't believe in Unicorns, Fairies or being Beta testers. We'll hold onto 1e until 2e is proven.

As long as they offer or have stock of 1e ships there will have to be some sort of upgrade/conversion available

4 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

And that's a big fat negative.

I'm going to sit out for a looooooong time.

With no Epic on the horizon, I could really care less about 2.0. I'm basically forced to play 1.0, officially speaking.

Second, since there are a crap ton of pilots that didn't make the cut (looking at you, Squint) and other elements, I'm less interested in playing a smaller version of the game.

1.0 wasn't broken at my kitchen table. FFG is going to need to earn my conversion.

Sometimes, what's best for the company is also what's best for the customer, though. If FFG doesn't offer the Conversion Kits for very long, and a ton of First Edition players come along later and realize that they have to essentially re-buy the entire game from scratch to play in the current edition, they may end up not buying anything new at all. At that point, the loss of any new purchases would hurt FFG way more than a loss here or there on the Conversion Kits. Sure, those players re-buying everything from scratch could easily mean a lot more profit for FFG, but that's only if those people would actually do it.

I wish I had some solid information on what situation we're in. I'd assume the kits will be around for a little while, but I wish I had an actual announcement to share.

Its important to consider that FLGS shops still have tens of thousands of x-wing products in stock which become dramatically less valuable if conversion kits run out.

FFG reprinted a dozen expansions and shipped them while developing 2.0 and didnt warn retailers. One friend who runs an FLGS and sells games at conventions was utterly blindsided by it and basically lost his investment because people arent buying 1.0 ships much now. He's already pissed. He and many retailers would probably drop FFG products or at least X-wing if FFG cut the legs out from them again by not making enough conversions to sell their stock.

These distributors move way more product than we do as end-users, so i would hope FFG considers them as well as us when making that decision. It would be a really terrible business move to stop making the thing that keeps your best customers onboard

5 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

Hahaha what? What kind of idiot would do that?

Did you?!

5 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

6 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Hahaha what? What kind of idiot would do that?

Did you?!

He FIGURATIVELY threw it away by LITERALLY putting it in the back of the closet.

Millenials. You just can't trust them. ?

54 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And that's a big fat negative.

I'm going to sit out for a looooooong time.

With no Epic on the horizon, I could really care less about 2.0. I'm basically forced to play 1.0, officially speaking.

Second, since there are a crap ton of pilots that didn't make the cut (looking at you, Squint) and other elements, I'm less interested in playing a smaller version of the game.

1.0 wasn't broken at my kitchen table. FFG is going to need to earn my conversion.

Couldnt hsve said it better myself.

I bought saws renegades because I can play it in 1.0 with my collection AND i can run a few X-wings with Saw in 2.0 at the local store, but thats it.

2.0 is a worse version of the game experience so far as i'm concerned, with a garbage digital component and way more convoluted rules. I mostly play homebrew and epic, and tournaments are for toxic nerds to get worked up about dominating eachother... so yeah. 2.0 just sells me a worse way to play my collection. Itll take something special to draw me in

55 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

I mostly play homebrew and epic

Yeah, here is to hoping the app supports the homebrew crowd. Cheers.

7 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

No you don't. Everyone literally threw away all their 1e stuff.

Guys this is sarcasm. Please stop quoting it.