10 hours ago, LTuser said:

I have often wondered, why the mini itself, is only 'vertical' with the cockpit at the top. You'd have thought they might have made a run where the ship was horisontal on the stand..

Because then it would be crap to fly in formation or general near anything like the 1.0 ARC ?

13 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

2 things:

First off, this isnt true. The first fighter engagement in A New Hope pitts The falcon vs 3 tie fighters.

The ties come in in a V formation, but split and flank while the Falcon evades them, and we clearly see both Luke and Han firing at ties both ABOVE and BELOW the Falcon(we know this because of where the windows are placed in the gun emplacements).

This means the ties were moving in different planes than the falcon, although its implied Chewie is also adjusting quite a bit.

There are many more examples, such as the A-wing we see spin by Admiral ackbars window, the Jango/Kenobi astroid chase, the entirety of Rogue 1, Force Awakens, Clone wars, etc.

Second, formation flying and grouping, vectors, etc. Look more 2d th as n they are. If 2 fleets fly directly towards each other it looks flat. If 1 fleet flies to a destination it looks flat.

In fact vader lays hurt in a new hope by diving from above, and so does Han. So whi  le Star Wars combat is based on ww2, it isnt 2d

100% Nope. Nothing about what I said suggests that the fight would be 2D. NOTHING. Even in ww2 combat, planes could go above or below other planes: they still oriented to the same horizon. I mean, really dude - you can climb a staircase - down is still down. The point is, all the pilots' feet were pointing the same direction. That only happens if one direction is objectively DOWN. Even the terms you use: "firing at ties both ABOVE and BELOW the Falcon" make my point. THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS "ABOVE" AND "BELOW" unless there is an objective "Down". In a REAL (non-Star Wars) space battle, there is only "over here" and "over there" because ALL directions are arbitrary.

(In WW2, that's because the earth is a gravity well. In Star Wars, the lore does not give us a reason. The meta-reason is that Lucas wanted it to look that way, and simply gives no fk*cs about Physics.)

Whenever people complain about the science of Star Wars I point out that the VERY FIRST THING any of us ever learned about the Star Wars galaxy is that Space has a "Down". Once you accept that, you forget about any consistently rational physics.

Things we learned about Star Wars in May 1977:

1 - Space has a DOWN! (2 ships oriented unambiguously to the same plane)

2 - It is NOT aligned to the local gravity well! (WTF) (2 ships on the same plane NOT perpendicular to the planet Tatooine's normal.)

3- Correlian Corvettes shoot red laser-beams PEW! PEW!

4 - Imperial Star Destroyers shoot GREEN laser-beams PEW! PEW!

5 - Imperial Star Destroyers are .... holy F!!! a LOT bigger than Correlian Corvettes!

Then we go inside and once C3PO starts talking, we learn a lot more things.

But from the very first frame of this franchise. EVERY space battle has been shot with an unambiguous DOWN. Every space battle since that first one has reinforced this. Some of them are not useful as evidence, because they occurred to close to a gravity well (I.E. x-wings over Death Star) so OF COURSE there is a down. But even the deep space fleet actions have always adhered to this, right up to the slow-motion chase in TLJ.