16 minutes ago, sndwurks said:There was also a Yasuki Merchant, a Kitsu Medium, a Bayushi Manipulator, and a Kakita Duelist.
The Yasuki is in my first guesses, and the Duellist and Manipulator are in the Beta, but it's nice to see that there's an English name for the Kitsu: Sodan-senzo is quite difficult to explain for me.
While I had figured the Kitsu would get their ancestor-priests back, I'm a little torn on the name. They're supposed to be redheads, not Patricia Arquette. ?
I did notice in the spells/elemental descriptions regarding material components, there was a reference to spells of the "ancestor" element.
The new names we've seen seem a little more practical than the 3E versions. Makes it more accessible to the players, IMO.
Actually, I could stomach lack of Bayushi Bushi if we get Soshi Magistrate instead. I'm not too hot on Scorpion getting 2 Shugenja schools out of Core, and would rather leave Soshi Illusionists for a later supplement and acknowledge the (pretty awesome) Soshi Magistrate tradition.
2 hours ago, WHW said:Actually, I could stomach lack of Bayushi Bushi if we get Soshi Magistrate instead. I'm not too hot on Scorpion getting 2 Shugenja schools out of Core, and would rather leave Soshi Illusionists for a later supplement and acknowledge the (pretty awesome) Soshi Magistrate tradition.
I really like that idea.
Scorpion have a ton of shugenja in the card game. as cool as magistrates are i'm thinking it's two shugenja.
On 9/1/2018 at 9:10 PM, llamaman88 said:Scorpion have a ton of shugenja in the card game. as cool as magistrates are i'm thinking it's two shugenja.
Yes, they do have the second most: at 7 they have over 1/3rd of the Phoenix Clan's 19 . But you think that the Scorpion should have twice as many available Shugenja schools as the Phoenix?
think they should? heck no techno. certain they will? pretty certain.
On 9/1/2018 at 1:27 PM, WHW said:Actually, I could stomach lack of Bayushi Bushi if we get Soshi Magistrate instead. I'm not too hot on Scorpion getting 2 Shugenja schools out of Core, and would rather leave Soshi Illusionists for a later supplement and acknowledge the (pretty awesome) Soshi Magistrate tradition.
I'd be down with a Soshi Magistrate as the Scorpion's fourth school in the core book.
In the last L5R 4e game I played in, we had a Soshi Magistrate PC who was very effective at his job and very much played up the "honest Scorpion" for all he could, though he was generally more interested in justice and the spirit of the law rather than strictly upholding the letter of the law, even going so far as to make use of a few Kitsuki methods in his investigations. Got on rather famously with my Hare Bushi, even if he was a bit patronizing at times given the age difference and my character's more less cynical view of the world.
3 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:Yes, they do have the second most: at 7 they have over 1/3rd of the Phoenix Clan's 19 . But you think that the Scorpion should have twice as many available Shugenja schools as the Phoenix?
They have twice as many shugenja families though, with extremely different modi. Sure, you occasionally get an Asako or Shiba shugenja, but that's not their focus. Isawa's focus is being the best. Soshi is being magical ninja and Yogo is being great at wards. Neither clan needs multiple shugenja schools in the core, but it's nice for every family to have something, instead of every Kaiu going to the Hida school, every Yogo going to the Soshi school, and every Moto going to the Shinjo school. I love characters going into other families' schools, but that shouldn't be a default.
That said, I still anticipate 4 schools per clan, and probably Imperials and/or Mantis to get over thirty, and I expect to see a Bayushi Bushi and no Yogo school. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm still happy to see the core book even without it being having my preferred spread of schools.
That said, I'd also be happy to see Soshi Magistrate, but I fully expect that to wait until either Emerald Empire or the inevitable Scorpion clan book.
On 9/2/2018 at 10:00 PM, deraforia said:That said, I still anticipate 4 schools per clan, and probably Imperials and/or Mantis to get over thirty, and I expect to see a Bayushi Bushi and no Yogo school. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm still happy to see the core book even without it being having my preferred spread of schools.
That said, I'd also be happy to see Soshi Magistrate, but I fully expect that to wait until either Emerald Empire or the inevitable Scorpion clan book.
Given that there was a sidebar about how to create Wards in the Beta, I'm actually really hoping for Yogo rather than Soshi Shugenja (and the Soshi having their Magistrate school).
Bayushi Manipulator, Soshi Magistrate, Yogo Wardmaster, and Shosuro Infiltrator hits each family and each school type (other than monk). Otherwise we'd be having one family pull double-duty (Bayushi Manipulator and Bushi) or a double-dipping on school (Soshi Illusionist and Yogo Wardmaster).
So really, the only logical choice is both Wardmaster and Magistrate.
Soshi Enforcer *drools*
Edited by WHW2 hours ago, Hida Jitenno said:Given that there was a sidebar about how to create Wards in the Beta, I'm actually really hoping for Yogo rather than Soshi Shugenja (and the Soshi having their Magistrate school).
Bayushi Manipulator, Soshi Magistrate, Yogo Wardmaster, and Shosuro Infiltrator hits each family and each school type (other than monk). Otherwise we'd be having one family pull double-duty (Bayushi Manipulator and Bushi) or a double-dipping on school (Soshi Illusionist and Yogo Wardmaster).
So really, the only logical choice is both Wardmaster and Magistrate.
I think it's a safe bet that Crane, Lion, and Unicorn are all already going to be double dipping on Bushi, so I don't see why that would be a problem here.
My logic for why I think we'll see Soshi Illusionist rather than Enforcer is simple. Which school is more iconic for the family? I believe that is the philosophy that is going to inform our school choices in the core.
Again, I'd love to be wrong on this. I hope I'm at least a little bit wrong so we can see every family get an iconic school. But even if that happens and we get a Yogo Wardmaster, I doubt we'd be getting Soshi Magistrates in place of a shugenja at this stage.
At this point I'm mostly just trying to manage people's expectations. Now everybody's excited about Soshi Magistrates but who knows if or when we'll see them?
P.S. If I'm wrong, feel free to say "I told you so" when the book drops.
1 minute ago, deraforia said:Again, I'd love to be wrong on this. I hope I'm at least a little bit wrong so we can see every family get an iconic school. But even if that happens and we get a Yogo Wardmaster, I doubt we'd be getting Soshi Magistrates in place of a shugenja at this stage.
At this point I'm mostly just trying to manage people's expectations. Now everybody's excited about Soshi Magistrates but who knows if or when we'll see them?
Well, as a huge fan of Soshi Saibanken, one of the literal founders of the Emerald Magistrates and Fortune of Justice, I must suggest that the school is far more iconic than some folks who use magic to say "made ya look!"
(Okay, okay, yes I'm 100% underselling the Soshi Illusionist, but magistrates tho...)
1 hour ago, deraforia said:I think it's a safe bet that Crane, Lion, and Unicorn are all already going to be double dipping on Bushi, so I don't see why that would be a problem here.
Crane might not double dip. The Daidoji Harrier(Ninja) could be the Crane's 4th School instead of the Daidoji Iron Warrior.
On 9/4/2018 at 3:08 PM, Ultimatecalibur said:Crane might not double dip. The Daidoji Harrier(Ninja) could be the Crane's 4th School instead of the Daidoji Iron Warrior.
Except that Harriers's are supposed to be rare whereas the Iron Warriors are the bulk of the Crane standing army. I would expect the Harriers get saved for a supplemental release myself.
6 hours ago, Schmoozies said:Except that Harriers's are supposed to be rare whereas the Iron Warriors are the bulk of the Crane standing army. I would expect the Harriers get saved for a supplemental release myself.
Rarity shouldn't be something stopping school inclusion. If it was Shugenja wouldn't be playable.
Also inclusion of the Harrier school gives more "Ninja" options in the core rather than forcing all players who want to play Ninjas into the Scorpion Clan.
Don’t forget that most techniques will be al la carte... perhaps ninja techniques will be kata, and therefore available to anyone?
One of the articles mentioned ninjitsu alongside shuji and kata. So maybe folks like the Hiruma and Daidoji will get acess to Ninjutsu instead of Rituals. Then Harriers could be an alternate path.
On 9/7/2018 at 7:04 PM, Ultimatecalibur said:Also inclusion of the Harrier school gives more "Ninja" options in the core rather than forcing all players who want to play Ninjas into the Scorpion Clan.
I disagree that the Harrier is a "Ninja" type... it's not about the stealth until (3E:) SR3. It is about soaking the damage when surprised. (No bonus damage when attacking them with surprise, from the rear, etc.) SR2 is all about not being hit. And the SR3 is about moving when attacked, with stealth being an option.
Plus, the Harrier was core in 3E. Still, I'd prefer to see the daidoji yojimbo.
I welcome my Harrier overlords, if they happen to be core. But then I want also Hiruma-ninjutsu users.
If an entire category of Ninjutsu techs exists only to fuel Shosuro Inflitrator, I'm not going to be amused.
48 minutes ago, AK_Aramis said:Still, I'd prefer to see the daidoji yojimbo.
Agreed. The Iron Warrior is more iconic to the clan than the Harrier, particularly since there are supposedly so few of them.
48 minutes ago, AK_Aramis said:I disagree that the Harrier is a "Ninja" type...
Still, the Harriers were explicitly included in a book about ninja once, and were there presented as at least ' ninja-adjacent' , which is likely why most people consider them ninja ( including every Crane player that's ever sat at my table ).
The inclusion of the Hiruma Stalker would please me greatly, as would the Ikoma Spymaster, but I could go the rest of my life without ever having another Harrier school detailed in the books. I am sure I'm an outlier. ?
Edited by Wyrmdog1 hour ago, WHW said:I welcome my Harrier overlords, if they happen to be core. But then I want also Hiruma-ninjutsu users.
If an entire category of Ninjutsu techs exists only to fuel Shosuro Inflitrator, I'm not going to be amused.
I could see a wasp infiltrator... in the post gold era.
The problem is the term ninjutsu - which is thematically interpreted by most as "Stealth Assassin in black pajamas" (who canonically DO exist - but not as "highly skilled stealth warriors....)
More seriously, besides the bayushi infiltrator, the only other real ninja needed are rōnin.
I'm starting to think ninjutsu is really Shadow Brands the way it was mentioned in today's article. But I am still hoping it's sneaky stuff and dirty tricks and that Daidoji Hiruma and Shosuro will get them in place of Shuji.
The only Harrier we have seen so far in the LCG is "Young Harrier". They have the Bushi, Scout and Shinobi keywords, which isn't exactly useful, but does imply that ninjutsu techniques are in their remit.
If you consider scouts to be sneakyish, then there are also a couple of Hiruma, a generic Crab, another Daidoji, a generic Crane, three Shinjo and a Unicorn. Not to mention a Nezumi and a Naga.