My point being that Cover 1 will cancel a standard hit. But Armor prevents standard damage anyway.

What am I missing here? What situation is it useful to have both?

Cover is applied before Impact.

• Unit with Impact 2 rolls two hits on its attack on speeder with Cover 1 and Armor.
• Cover removes one hit.
• Armor 2 allows up to two hits to become crits, but only one hit remains because of Cover 1.
• Speeder rolls defense against 1 damage.

I seem to be getting myself completely in a mess over the sequence of when to apply cover, I know the rules have been clarified since release but I’m. Not sure where the single best source now is.

could someone enlighten me? Thanks!

1 minute ago, ellhaynes said:

I seem to be getting myself completely in a mess over the sequence of when to apply cover, I know the rules have been clarified since release but I’m. Not sure where the single best source now is.

could someone enlighten me? Thanks!

The Rules Reference Guide has the specific order for resolving an Attack on page 14. The steps are:

1. Declare Defender
2. Form Attack Pool
3. Declare Additional Defenders
4. Roll Attack Dice
5. Apply Dodge and Cover
6. Modify Attack Dice
7. Roll Defence Dice
8. Modify Defence Dice
9. Compare Results
10. Choose Additional Attack Pool

It's pretty clear cut in the rule book. The confusion me and my friend had when first playing is that we were using the X-wing attack sequence out of habit.

1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

It's pretty clear cut in the rule book. The confusion me and my friend had when first playing is that we were using the X-wing attack sequence out of habit.

Likewise

3 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

It's pretty clear cut in the rule book. The confusion me and my friend had when first playing is that we were using the X-wing attack sequence out of habit.

You gotta feel sorry for 40k players looking for WS and BS... Legion just makes NO SENSE to them.

It can remove dice before impact, but it is of limited use since you need to remove more hits so that there is less hits left than the pool has in impact.

I think this is a big help to speeders. Cover 2 would make them much more flyable as they'd cut down on a lot of incidental ground fire from moderate impact things like DLTs that make them so easy to kill.

Speeder bikes seem very balanced. In the movie you pretty much said, "Hey look over here" and they were dead. They definitely need to be fragile.

It rarely does anything in practice.

The cover 1 does help against weapons with high impact and low dice; specifically Saber Throw and the AT-RT laser. You are still getting murdered by those things, though.

3 hours ago, Orkimedes said:

It rarely does anything in practice.

As an aside, I'm a little surprised the Cover X rating wasn't tied to the Speeder X rule. In my opinion a vehicle flying fast and high is harder to hit than one flying fast and low.

Yeah I think if the Snowspeeder had Cover 2 it would go a long way towards making it a more appealing unit. The other thing I have thought of is if it had some sort of special Keyword that allowed it to cancel crits with cover and dodge tokens

The correct answer is there is no point because natural crits ignore everything so your speeder dies just as quickly as a naked rebel trooper standing in the open shouting 'all storm troopers are bastards!!'