30 point cost. But for the cost you get the following benefits;

1) Potential to block an opponent during activation and deprive them of actions

2) Have two arcs for a free unmodified bonus attack, rolling three dice at range 1

3) Any one of your ships within range 2 once per turn gets an additional action before they activate, without incurring stress for their second action

4) If your ship has 1 stress, it still gets an action within range 2 at initiative 1,setting up potential for even a second block

4) 5 more hit points of squad to chew through for opponents.

The question is, is that worth 30 points? I think so!

FYI; PTL is no longer the acronym though. Supposedly it now called AP-5. Best 15% squad cost ever. Don't fly Rebel 2.0 without it!

And before anyone salts me, yeah, I'm just venting. I know it's not approved here anymore but yeah, AP5 is just crazy good for the cost.

10 minutes ago, Cloaker said:

And before anyone salts me, yeah, I'm just venting. I know it's not approved here anymore but yeah, AP5 is just crazy good for the cost.

Feel free to dominate tournaments with it

Yeah, but that's not how PTL works...at all...

It's like the actual inverse of PTL

Also, every other feature you described isn't free...you paid thirty points for a Z with a hull and an aux arc. Its coordinate had better be **** good

if you add the cost of another Z-95 on top of that you could get Fenn...man he sounds downright overcosted when you put it that way...

Yeah, well, in Resistance-ese, PTL now stands for Poe's Talent/Luck.

What about Poe? Not that mentioning the Resistance in general is going to help with the salt levels.

I believe the real PTL is Lando

11 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Yeah, but that's not how PTL works...at all...

It's like the actual inverse of PTL

Also, every other feature you described isn't free...you paid thirty points for a Z with a hull and an aux arc. Its coordinate had better be **** good

Good point. But Zs cost 23. I suppose the question then is whether or not the hull, the rear arc, the dial and coordinate are all worth 7 points. Looking at the costs of hull upgrade for 5 points for ag2, then it's about the white coordinate (tactical officer is 2 but that doesn't take into account the ship that use it at a higher cost because their base cost is higher and their coordinate is red) the only ship able to action a ship at initiative 1 for blocks, coordinate a stressed ship, and a rear arc attack.

Now I'd have to say, looking at all of that for 2 points? Pretty amazing, even by your cynical standards right Mr. Fickle? ?

No offense meant

12 minutes ago, Sir13scott said:

I believe the real PTL is Lando

Him with AP5 in a list? I gotta get to work on that!

Yeah, it's crazy how cheap PTL is now, costing just 12 points. I mean the ship blows up after 3 rounds but it's still-

Wait, you're not talking about the Scum escape craft? You're talking about the Sheathipede? Well let's compare:

Sheathipede-AP5
30 points
2 Attack front and back arcs

Escape Craft-Autopilot Drone
12 points
1 attack front arc

.....the second one is waaaaaaay cheaper. Let's complain about that instead!

5 minutes ago, Simonsays3 said:

Yeah, it's crazy how cheap PTL is now, costing just 12 points. I mean the ship blows up after 3 rounds but it's still-

Wait, you're not talking about the Scum escape craft? You're talking about the Sheathipede? Well let's compare:

Sheathipede-AP5
30 points
2 Attack front and back arcs

Escape Craft-Autopilot Drone
12 points
1 attack front arc

.....the second one is waaaaaaay cheaper. Let's complain about that instead!

Who's complaining? I'm list building. ?

Escape craft is a valid value for scum. Dial is is bad though. Drone is unusable for what we are discussing over the course of a game. But with Tactical Officer the other Escape Crafts are definitely good for the cost. But for 6 points more than L337 we get a better dial, a rear arc, an extra hull (worth 5 alone) and all the aforementioned benefits regarding when and who can be coordinated that the escape craft cant do.

13 minutes ago, Cloaker said:

looking at the costs of hull upgrade for 5 points for ag2

Sure hull upgrade costs 5 points on a bandit, but it's not worth that. There is a reason you won't ever see someone take a hull upgrade on a bandit. The hull point on a bandit is maybe worth 2 points.

Is AP5 worth 7 points more than a bandit? Maybe. You lose the red barrel roll, you lose a focus in exchange for the worse calculate, you gain coordinate (plus AP5 ability), you gain the back arc. You gain 2 hull but lose 1 shield. You lose the ability to take a missile, but gain the ability take a crew.

Even if AP5 is a point or 2 under-costs, he definitely is not worth a rant thread. There are definitely few other pilots and upgrades which will need tweaks way more than him.

Think I'd still rather wedge than a Z and AP

Personally, I think Z's are trash apart from cracken and his I 5 + ability

I think ap-5 seems great, but he's nowhere near the realm of Howlrunner or the like

Eh, just not terrifically impressive. Great, mind, just not worthy of such hyperbole. Could def think of better uses of 30 points

1 hour ago, Cloaker said:

AP5  is just crazy good for the cost.   

I really think the same way. That ship is very good if backed by a good team.

42 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

Yeah, well, in Resistance-ese, PTL now stands for Poe's Talent/Luck.

Poe the Limit

f-ing sheet pedes again?

2 hours ago, Sir13scott said:

I believe the real PTL is Lando

Yup. And you can decide to burn it only once you know you need it.

Sounds like a bad Lambda Shuttle

8 hours ago, Sir13scott said:

I believe the real PTL is Lando

You sir are correct.

8 hours ago, Cloaker said:

Who's complaining? I'm list building. ?

Escape craft is a valid value for scum. Dial is is bad though. Drone is unusable for what we are discussing over the course of a game. But with Tactical Officer the other Escape Crafts are definitely good for the cost. But for 6 points more than L337 we get a better dial, a rear arc, an extra hull (worth 5 alone) and all the aforementioned benefits regarding when and who can be coordinated that the escape craft cant do.

But for a mere 13 points more you double the hit points, change one unreliable green agility into a super bad *** extra red die, increase your blocking potential, and look like an Imperial Valkayrie reigning fire and destruction upon the galaxy instead of you know, not looking like one.

Everyone has coordinate now, just like everyone has shield-regeneration Gonks now. Which ironically you need coordinating to pull off effectively.

Also prequel ships!!! So YOLO!

20 hours ago, Sir13scott said:

I believe the real PTL is Lando

Yup both Lando and Poe.

Guys, this is the real PTL 2.0

I guess it’s too much to ask for people to even run a single game before making sweeping conclusions about under-costed over-powered cards?

Yeah, forget I asked...

7 hours ago, BigBadAndy said:

I guess it’s too much to ask for people to even run a single game before making sweeping conclusions about under-costed over-powered cards?

Yeah, forget I asked...

You can use math. You know, like how astronomers know when an eclipse will happen.

According to math, AP-5 is at least 3 points undercosted, probably 4. OP is correct in his assessment. And, in case you're wondering. Fenn Rau is actually very much still worth flying, but his cost is pretty close to balanced now. On a percentage basis, 1e Fenn Rau is the most undercosted ship in the game. His massive cost increase for 2e is absolutely correct. 2e has issues, but many things are significantly improved.