http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/fzczmr/20-imperial-ships-how-good-are-they

If you would care to indulge me... how good do you think the Imperial ships are in 2nd Edition?

Looks like I'm pretty average with my responses. I'm surprised the Aggressor scored as high as it did! In general it looks as though players are rating the Imperial ships as pretty good overall. I wonder if this is because the lack of multiple upgrade options on most Imperial ships makes judging them easier?

I just wish I'd separated Vader from the other TIE Advanced, I think you'd get some very different scores for those two.

11 minutes ago, SOTL said:

I just wish I'd separated Vader from the other TIE Advanced, I think you'd get some very different scores for those two.

I‘d score a 5 on Vader and one of the lowest scores for the other advanceds. So yes.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

I‘d score a 5 on Vader and one of the lowest scores for the other advanceds. So yes.

Yeah, it's hard to rate that one in a vacuum. Same way with a lot of ships in 1.0. Dash was the YT-2400. Rey was the resistance falcon. Miranda was the K-wing. Fenn Rau was the Fang Fighter. And so on.

Nice poll and interesting results.

Personally I have rated Strikers higher than the poll result says, and TAP much lower.

Otherwise pretty close results to how I would see it..

Care to do also Rebel and Scum versions?

Wow, people not rating the bomber and phantom 5 stars...

Get them on the table, guys. Barrage Rockets (Jonus) and Juke, respectively

You couldn't (reasonably) ask for better ships

21 minutes ago, baranidlo said:

Care to do also Rebel and Scum versions?

They'll come, I didn't want to spam all three out at once.

Yeah... people are sleeping on the Tie Bomber hardcore. It actually might even be better than the Gunboat in 2.0.

I think people are overestimating the Defender a bit. Yeah it looks bonkers, but it will also be half your list.

The more I look at the Tie Aggressor the more I think I was wrong to write if off as being a POS. For 42 (ICT and Barrage Rockets) points you can get a ship with control capabilities and can throw 3 dice. **** naked they are 15 1.0 equivalent points, so cheap!

I think the question is whether people are rating them for their cost, or in a vacuum. It sounds like we're getting a bit of both, and that's where the disconnect is coming from.

15 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Wow, people not rating the bomber and phantom 5 stars...

Get them on the table, guys. Barrage Rockets (Jonus) and Juke, respectively

You couldn't (reasonably) ask for better ships

Having played with Juke Whisper I can say I was quite happy with how she hunted down Han in the scum Falcon and actually managed to arc-dodge him a couple times. The loss of a single red dice was pretty negligible in the end.

2 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

Yeah... people are sleeping on the Tie Bomber hardcore. It actually might even be better than the Gunboat in 2.0.

I think people are overestimating the Defender a bit. Yeah it looks bonkers, but it will also be half your list.

The more I look at the Tie Aggressor the more I think I was wrong to write if off as being a POS. For 42 (ICT and Barrage Rockets) points you can get a ship with control capabilities and can throw 3 dice. **** naked they are 15 1.0 equivalent points, so cheap!

I don't think it's 'might even be better than the Gunboat' I think it's clearly better. I expect TIE Bombers and Punisher to both have their points costs increased when the app goes live.

The TIE Aggressor is poor, though. The comparison to the TIE Bomber makes it really clear - if you ignore ICT you can get a TIE Aggressor with Barrage for 2pts more than the Bomber with 1 less hull and a worse dial. They need to flip the points costs on the Aggressors and Bombers.

Gunboat isn't really doing the same thing as bomber

Imo it's now an ASLAM ion control piece with backup procket

Bombers are something you field in mass to soak damage and blow **** up

Aggressors are bombers with turrets (barrage + ion, methinks). Better v aces maybe, due to giant arc coverage? Idk, haven't tested

I think Ion nuisance Gunboat is the only role it really has now. I'm not sure about the Procket bit, but I guess at least you can reload it.

Edit: Ok, I've had a play around in the squadbuilder and I guess I could see Prockets going in. You can build a pretty mean Vynder for 60pts (LW, Adv.SLAM, Prockets, Ion Cannon), which is dirt cheap compared to what he would have cost in 1st Edition.

I'd love to see another poll like this in 6 months. I've been having fun building lists and have played a couple games with Defenders (they're amazing - far better than you think they might be). The Imperial ships all seem quality, but the Defenders, Squints, Bombers and Punishers have really caught my attention and received my top votes. All the rest are still solid, but I haven't put the effort into building interesting lists with them.

I think getting pilot specific might be more helpful, especially in the case of ships that have force users and ones that don't. That might be the biggest difference maker overall within each ship type.

32 minutes ago, SOTL said:

I think Ion nuisance Gunboat is the only role it really has now. I'm not sure about the Procket bit, but I guess at least you can reload it.

Edit: Ok, I've had a play around in the squadbuilder and I guess I could see Prockets going in. You can build a pretty mean Vynder for 60pts (LW, Adv.SLAM, Prockets, Ion Cannon), which is dirt cheap compared to what he would have cost in 1st Edition.

Don't prockets require a focus? How would that work?

44 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Don't prockets require a focus? How would that work?

Advanced SLAM

Focus mods your defense and ion cannon, so you're always taking it (esp on Vynder)

Procket on nonSLAMs, such as post ionization of the enemy

1 minute ago, Commander Kaine said:

Don't prockets require a focus? How would that work?

Well, you can Focus thank to Adv.SLAM but you can't Procket after the SLAM with the cannon title anyway. The Prockets would be for non-SLAM turns to give Vynder some teeth for his points cost.

Alternatively you can just bring an Ion Cannon Nu Sqd for 40pts. You'll probably struggle to actually ship any Ion tokens without any dice mods on the shot, though.

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

Wow, people not rating the bomber and phantom 5 stars...

Get them on the table, guys. Barrage Rockets (Jonus) and Juke, respectively

You couldn't (reasonably) ask for better ships

Juke Echo is the tie-slayer. It’s true.

12 hours ago, SOTL said:

I just wish I'd separated Vader from the other TIE Advanced, I think you'd get some very different scores for those two.

Different probably, but not that much

Remember, most of us haven't played real V2 games. We are all "believers" and we think love can beat dice.

The pole is great, I tried to answer without taking to much of the forum into account.

Could you please provide the standard variation for each ships? It will give us a clue about what ship convince and which divide the imps

very limited sample size of a single game, but Ion Cannon Turret + Barrage Rockets Kestal had no problems keeping both Vader and Vessery (moving after) in arc

so that's definitely an advantage that the Aggressor sports, the ability to easily target higher I opponents. Honestly, between it and the Y-wing, just having Barrage Rockets make it far superior imo

Ran her with Jonus and Cheri (poor deci just burns FAST), so you're probably better off with MORE. BOMBERS!

unfortunately you're one **** point short of replacing a bomber with a generic Aggressor with ICT + Barrage Rockets, so I've slapped on Hotshot to bridge the gap

16 hours ago, SOTL said:

I just wish I'd separated Vader from the other TIE Advanced, I think you'd get some very different scores for those two.

Vader is a 5, the rest a 2. It just isn't an impressive chassis, and Vader would be better off in almost any other ship.

13 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Wow, people not rating the bomber and phantom 5 stars...

Get them on the table, guys. Barrage Rockets (Jonus) and Juke, respectively

You couldn't (reasonably) ask for better ships

Yeah, the Bomber and Phantom are easily 5 stars.

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

Vader is a 5, the rest a 2. It just isn't an impressive chassis, and Vader would be better off in almost any other ship.

Yeah, the Bomber and Phantom are easily 5 stars.

But then the Punisher would need 6.

Bombers are certainly more efficient than gunboats. I think the advantage of the gunboat is staying power (oddly, since it has no kturn). Gunboats have the health and speed to bring their guns to bear again in a fight, whereas bombers are going to go out with a boom.