Dead Sprint & Activation Rules

By Zaaik, in Runewars Rules Questions

This may have been discussed before.

Basically, wanted to know what the rules were in regards to the passive movement of the Flesh Ripper and if it is effected by Dead Sprint.

I am arguing its not.

The whole thematic behind the automatic move of the flesh rippers is that they're uncontrollable beasts that hunger for flesh and want to get there as soon as possible, so much that even their handlers have trouble restraining them.

Now down to the rules.

My understanding is that Activation Phase and Activations are different things.

Activation Phase is when you and your opponent go through the initiative count until a unit matches that initiative.

If you have a unit that matches that initiative you declare it by revealing your dial, as per step one of activation rules. The L2P also says that a Unit is activated when it reveals its command dial.

My argument is that Dead Sprint doesn't affect the passive move of the Flesh Rippers because that 1-March happens before you reveal your dial and is in theory before their activation, so Dead Sprint cannot affect it as its prerequisite is that it affects the first march during the activation. Could argue however that this then makes Dead Sprint better as it could maybe give them banked charges and stuff.

I've heard of people talk about "Step 0's" and stuff, but I just wanted to clarify that do we play as RAW or RAI?

When is the next FAQ due? I feel like its well overdue! ?

Hold my beer.

Short answer is that you are correct as the rules are written. Nonetheless, we asked the game developer(designer?) about this at the FFGHQ regionals since it wasn’t clear to everyone. There was a lot of confusing over the difference between selecting a unit to activate and actually activating a unit.

In short, RAI is that the forced movement is considered part of activation. The next FAQ/RRG update should change it so activation starts when you choose a unit instead of when you reveal the dial in order to reconcile that.

We had a long discussion about that, but @Church14 got a ruling on it at the Regionals at FFG HQ:

I finally got a ruling that I respect at FFGHQ regionals.

In a nutshell, activation will start at the nonexistent step 0 of initiative (selecting a unit). This should be in an upcoming FAQ. I’d (personally) consider this as official as anything not directly in the FAQ gets.

I asked him about the L2P explicitly spelling out that revealing the dial is activating and RRG doesn’t contradict it. His response was kind of an “Oops, we’ll fix that.” So I had RAW correct, but RAI (as we all kind of figured) is that the pre-dial move is part of activating.

@Church14 Sneaks in for the win!

Cheers fella's! I'm preparing for Regionals and Nationals over the next 2 weeks and so I'm finding myself reading rules and stuff over and over, I then occasionally come across something that needs clarifying.

Lucky to have this community eh?! ?

9 minutes ago, Church14 said:

H  old my beer.

Isn't it like 10am where you are? ?

7 minutes ago, Zaaik said:

Isn't it like 10am where you are? ?

"I don't understand the question."

20 minutes ago, Zaaik said:

Isn't it like 10am where you are? ?

9am at the time I posted

8 minutes ago, Church14 said:

9am at the time I posted

Even worse!

25 minutes ago, Zaaik said:

Even worse!

I feel like there may be a bit of translation issue.

“Hold my beer” is someone a person says ironically before doing something potentially stupid. It would be close to “I’ve got this,” except intended to be funny. Essentially, a phrase mocking drunk people thinking they can handle something.

In this case, I started and kept driving a rather verbose argument about this exact rules concern a while back. So “hold my beer” in this case was me poking fun at the fact that I could possibly reignite that argument.

Dude, I was just taking what you said literally as a joke ?

I am aware of the term.

You're a serious guy eh? :P

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Just now, Zaaik said:

Dude, I was just taking what you said literally as a joke ?

I am aware of the term.

You're a serious guy eh? :P

Yes and no. I joke a lot and am easy going but I’m bad at detecting sarcasm and wasn’t 100% sure if your were or not

11 hours ago, Church14 said:

Yes and no. I joke a lot and am easy going but I’m bad at detecting sarcasm and wasn’t 100% sure if your were or not

We need a sarcasm font... Badly...

/s is the universal sarcasm font... /s how could you not know that? (For Example)

Also...

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 9:02 AM, Church14 said:

Hold my beer.

Famous last words for 500.

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 9:02 AM, Church14 said:

Hold my beer.

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 9:13 AM, Zaaik said:

Isn't it like 10am where you are? ?

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 9:21 AM, Glucose98 said:

"I don't understand the question."

Comedy Gold.

Also, beer at 9am is totally fine in the Midwest... I've had many a beer before 7am, though at the time I was working 3rd shift, but I digress.

Also, mornings are for Bloody Mary's and beers or some such.

2 hours ago, Aetheriac said:

Also, beer at 9am is totally fine in the Midwest... I've had many a beer before 7am, though at the time I was working 3rd shift, but I digress.

Also, mornings are for Bloody Mary's and beers or some such.

Watch the waitress try to wrap their head around it when you are coming off of third shift and order a vodka mimosa.

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8 hours ago, Church14 said:

Watch the waitress try to wrap their head around it when you are coming off of third shift and order a vodka mimosa.

Yep. Kids these days call that a "Dead Sprint."

What? You mean that doesn't have anything to do with the topic? I'm so confused... ^_^

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 3:14 PM, Aetheriac said:

Also, beer at 9am is totally fine in the Midwest... I've had many a beer before 7am, though at the time I was working 3rd shift, but I digress.

Also, mornings are for Bloody Mary's and beers or some such.

Also in the Midwest. Have also started drinking around 7am. Tailgating. (I Live in Lincoln, NE... Cornhusker territory).

Also, below is called a screwdriver.

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 5:57 PM, Church14 said:

Watch the waitress try to wrap their head around it when you are coming off of third shift and order a vodka mimosa.

Edited by Curlycross