The real problem now if we lynch me or LP is,

If Gengis or LTD is scum, after a night kill 1 town will go into that last day with two unknowns..

17 hours ago, LTD said:

The list of folks who voted for Podracer:
EbonHawk - still alive
Caldias - killed by mafia - serial killer
GengisJon - still alive
GhostofNobodyinParticular - killed by serial killer - mafia
ClonTroper5 - still alive
Matt3412 - now dead, town vanilla
Lord Preyer - still alive

Those who did not vote for Podracer
ovinomanc3r - now dead, town vanilla
LTD - me - still alive
PodRacer - now dead, town insane cop
Madaghmire - eliminated, town one shot vigilante

Of the Seven who voted Podracer, four are still alive.
Three of that four voted for Matt3412, along with ovinomanc3r.
EbonHawk
ClonTroper5
Lord Preyer

So either 1 or 2.

1. LTD didn't vote podracer, because Gnips was and 1 scum on a train is better than 2

2. Gengis decided it was time to vote pod, his scum partner Gnips following him

it would also make the matty train all town, if we assume gengis or ltd is the scum

And if neither me nor Ebon is scum but one of us is lynched today than tomorrow the survivor would likely face such strong headwinds of suspicion it may well be curtains for Town. Hence why I’m desperately trying to figure a way out.

17 hours ago, LTD said:

Of the Seven who voted Podracer, four are still alive.
Three of that four voted for Matt3412, along with ovinomanc3r.
EbonHawk
ClonTroper5
Lord Preyer

Here LTD lists his suspects, note he is still unmoved from Clon despite universal support for him being doc

considering he hasn't voted on any wagon yet, by asking clon to come and hammer LP he would've been successful in getting another person killed without voting for them....

he just like you LP, also fits the bill of someone who would target Ovi at night for being the vet

Good catch LTD (and now Ebon) on @Gengis Jon voting for Pod. I thought both he and LTD had avoided all incorrect votes.

58 minutes ago, LTD said:

Ok so now we have a problem.

Gengis and Ebon have voted on LP. One vote from lynch.

I have voted Clon, but I’m leaning elsewhere. Not changing yet. Not convinced. Certainly not voting LP.

LP hasn’t voted, can’t vote for himself.

clon hasn’t voted, can now hammer LP.

Up to you Mr Troper...

knowing LP would flop town, he can then attest to the fact that he knew that and wouldn't vote, yet was happy for someone else to do his bidding maybe

Just now, EbonHawk said:

he just like you LP, also fits the bill of someone who would target  Ovi at night f  or being the v  et

And like yourself old bean*!

* = okay Gengis, I admit, that one was for you!

Just now, Lord Preyer said:

And like yourself old bean*!

* = okay Gengis, I admit, that one was for you!

oh of course ovis always a good player to take out i won't lie there

Next thought experiment:

LTD as Scum.

- Decides at the outset on a strategy of avoiding Town lynches

- in this he’s able to up his Town credentials throughout

- perhaps he’s even playing to a policy of only moving against his teammate (did he ever cast aspersions on GNIP?)

- and...

- that’s it! That’s all I got!

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

Decides at the outset on a strategy of avoiding Town lynches

I think you're half onto it, avoiding the lynch on Pod is smart as Gnips was already on it, best not to put all your eggs in one basket

the rest is I think a product of circumstance, due to Gnips dying and the SK, meaning the last scum has had to be careful, avoiding putting himself on lynches is a good way to make sure focus is mostly on those that did

Next: Gengis

- first time player draws Scum (‘yikes!’ he thinks ‘what the **** do I do?’)

- he decides to fix on a player (maybe he just rolls a d10 (rerolling for GNIP) which comes up PREYER!

- then he sets a policy of only pursuing that player (me) throughout the game to see where such a scheme could carry him

- This has potential in being a simple plan to effect but still feels likes a stretch in believability

42 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

now let’s say you successfully persuade the others to kill me

- at this point you would have led the lynch mob on 3 Towns in a row

IF you’re taken down this round, LP, I would like credit for leading the charge. For good or ill.

2 minutes ago, Gengis Jon said:

IF you’re taken down this round, LP, I would like credit for leading the charge. For good or ill.

7 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

Next: Gengis

- first time player draws Scum (‘yikes!’ he thinks ‘what the **** do I do?’)

- he decides to fix on a player (maybe he just rolls a d10 (rerolling for GNIP) which comes up PREYER!

- then he sets a policy of only pursuing that player (me) throughout the game to see where such a scheme could carry him

- This has potential in being a simple plan to effect but still feels likes a stretch in believability

This is all i have for him, and really just feels like new guy keeping to his guns, while he gets hold of the ropes

After your evaluation @LTD seems a lot more suspect to me... It's Still a long shot but...

2 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

This is all i have for him, and really just feels like new guy keeping to his guns, while he gets hold of the ropes

Agreed. And as a first time player if @Gengis Jon really is scum and has done it then as I have said he bloody deserves the win!

If we take LTD.. and he *is* town

Clon, Me, LP, Gengis go into the night..

no matter who dies the 2 town left should be solid. If clon dies, it leaves me and LP knowing we're town.

If me or LP die, the other is left with CLon the confirmed town Doc, either scenario works for town I think

so I'm prepared to go on the limb that LTD's played us by being passive

##vote LTD

4 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

Agreed. And as a first time player if @Gengis Jon really is scum and has done it then as I have said he bloody deserves the win!

You guys are almost making me wish I was scum ?

It occurs to me we have to determine if we’re facing:

- a brilliant new scum player affecting a strategy of sublime devious simplicity (Gengis)

- a long-game new player who knew the perfect lie to tell and just when to tell it (Clon)

- a brute force veteran scum employing barbarically direct anti-Town tactics (opening or hammer votes on Town) (Ebon or me)

- a subtle experienced player playing both sides against the middle with the best Town creds a Scum could have (short of shopping his scum mate) (LTD)

QUESTION: which of these do you think is most or least likely?

1 minute ago, Gengis Jon said:

You guys are almost making me wish I was scum ?

careful now

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

It occurs to me we have to determine if we’re facing:

- a brilliant new scum player affecting a strategy of sublime devious simplicity (Gengis)

- a long-game new player who knew the perfect lie to tell and just when to tell it (Clon)

- a brute force veteran scum employing barbarically direct anti-Town tactics (opening or hammer votes on Town) (Ebon or me)

- a subtle experienced player playing both sides against the middle with the best Town creds a Scum could have (short of shopping his scum mate) (LTD)

QUESTION: which of these do you think is most or least likely?

I love this post, it captures the complexity of this game perfectly

Just now, Lord Preyer said:

It occurs to me we have to determine if we’re facing:

- a brilliant new scum player affecting a strategy of sublime devious simplicity (Gengis)

- a long-game new player who knew the perfect lie to tell and just when to tell it (Clon)

- a brute force veteran scum employing barbarically direct anti-Town tactics (opening or hammer votes on Town) (Ebon or me)

- a subtle experienced player playing both sides against the middle with the best Town creds a Scum could have (short of shopping his scum mate) (LTD)

QUESTION: which of these do you think is most or least likely?

Clon least likely, If jabba put 4 killing roles in a game and no Doc... well Boooooooo

RN for me - LTD most likely

1 minute ago, EbonHawk said:

Clon least likely, If jabba put 4 killing roles in a game and no Doc... well Boooooooo

RN for me - LTD most likely

I concur.

Case against Ebon or me as Scum:

- if Ebon is scum he would have to win having led all the anti-Town charges from the front each and every time. He would have to have concluded after night one that the way to win was to lead from the front WRONGLY time after time. This does not seem like optimal play to me.

Equally, if I am scum and decided the best way to win was to provide the hammer (most suspicion-inducing vote! Even more so than Ebon’s openings) thrice in a row and (with my scummate dead) think that I can somehow get away with that for multiple rounds before pure retaliation at my ERRANT HAMMER saw me lynched. Again, this would be far from optimal as a strategy to employ.

(By the way, part of me still imagines a parallel universe in which @Ginkapo is right now in Observers pointing at me/Ebon and ‘knowing’ that in this universe* me/Ebon is actually Scum he is screaming and jumping up and down: ‘WHY HAVEN’T TOWN JUST KILLED THE IDIOTS WHO KEEP KILLING TOWN!?’ ? )

* = yes, I accept that that could still prove to be this universe. I just don’t think it is at the moment.