22 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

And @Matt3412 , I would listen carefully to @Lord Preyer , your life is in his hands...

Could do with your claim (or final defence) please before bedtime @Matt3412 !

4 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

There are worse things than being attacked for “uber helpfulness and friendliness” but I reckon it’s probably a first for forming the basis of a grudge!

Also true! But no grudge on my part — just trying to synch my gut with what passes for analysis in this game.

If I was going on grudge I would definitely vote LTD, for his snarky response to my request to see his pix of the new VT ?

I'm as vanilla as vanilla Ice cream, which is coincidently my favorite ice cream.

When you kill me LP just do me the honor of believing once I'm dead.

My last request is that you guys gengis, and LP put aside your differences your on the same team. And get clon calmed down and helping.

3 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

I'm as vanilla as vanilla Ice cream, which is coincidently my favorite ice cream.

When you kill me LP just do me the honor of believing once I'm dead.

My last request is that you guys gengis, and LP put aside your differences your on the same team. And get clon calmed down and helping.

I don’t feel he’s Scum guys!

I'm honestly surprised you guys dint kill me I went for a bike ride the last hour and wow

Occam’s Razor - what if Matt is just a fairly new player who’s misstepped a few times? I’m worried about a mislynch here.

I agree with Lord Preyer ... and that troubles me because I am voting for Lord Preyer ...

Of course I find myself questioning my gut at this point. Ebon makes a compelling case against Matt, but he still seems like a bully. If it was possible there were two scum left I’d stick with my earlier theory that LP and Ebon we’re playing scumy good cop/bad cop role (metaphorically speaking, not game role cops.) But I’ll take the veterans at their word that it is highly unlikely there is more than one rebel remaining.

I dont want to change my vote unless I have a good reason to do so.

Some questions for Matt:

1. You seem like you’re more experienced at this game than I initially presumed. Have you played elsewhere?

2. You do seem to be deflecting. Ive been chaulking this up to immaturity, either in the game or in age, or both. At the beginning of the game, however, you offered up what I thought was some of the better analysis to that point. I’d like to see some of that now. Can you put Ebon’s bullying aside and try again at breaking down your thinking for us?

Look, if we’re going to kill Town by mistake I’d rather you killed me in error so that the new players have more time to play and learn how the dynamics work. A number of players have been suspicious of me at times and I was in on the Pod kill and provided hammer on that so there’s a sound basis for it. I’d rather we killed someone else (like the scum!) but I am not willing to hammer Matt now.

10 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

I'm as vanilla as vanilla Ice cream, which is coincidently my favorite ice cream.

When you kill me LP just do me the honor of believing once I'm dead. 

My last request is that you guys gengis, and LP put aside your differences your on the same team. And get clon calmed down and helping.

if you were dead you we would know flat out.

you speak of town in 3rd person as you're not part of it, and it's a separate block

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

Look, if we’re going to kill Town by mistake I’d rather you killed me in error so that the new players have more time to play and learn how the dynamics work. A number of players have been suspicious of me at times and I was in on the Pod kill and provided hammer on that so there’s a sound basis for it. I’d rather we killed someone else (like the scum!) but I am not willing to hammer Matt now.

LP mate if it ain't him, it's you or Clon

and i'm pretty sure it's not you or clon

3 minutes ago, Gengis Jon said:

but he still seems like a bully

if you think any of this is bullying you may have taken by the PC brigade...

as stated many times, i think it's bad luck he rolled scum on his first game and got That day 1 yes, but should i go easy cause he's new and let him pass? No.

If i think anyone is scum i'll apply pressure and see how they deal with it, even now matty ain't reading town

It’s not me. And I think it’s Clon! Why don’t we kill Clon, see if I’m right, and if I’m wrong then we at least let the new players have a slightly longer game (you can then kill me or Matt or whoever later).

Gengis it's been a long day for.

1. I have played alot in friend groups in person much different dynamic. Physical tells do wonders for this game. Also the length of a day is like 10 mins maybe devolves into shouting very quickly. I have always found there is not point to proclaim word for word ones innocence everyone is after all that's the game.

The amount of time and inability to see each other make this wildly different def learning this one.

2. On the ebon point I actually came out and said I don't think hes suspsious anymore, then as we've seen he slowly integrated himself with ovi's argument against me. The amount aggressiveness is truly new to me. Its seems way over the top. My gut has me looking at one of them.

Sorry - should have tagged @clontroper5 so he can see me arguing for his demise!

6 minutes ago, Gengis Jon said:

Of course I find myself questioning my gut at this point. Ebon makes a compelling case against Matt, but he still seems like a bully  . If it was possible there were two scum left I’d stick with my earlier theory that LP and Ebon we’re playing scumy good cop/bad cop role (metaphorically speaking, not game role cops.) But I’ll take the veterans at their word that it is highly unlikely there is more than one rebel remaining.

I dont want to change my vote unless I have a good reason to do so.

Some questions for Matt:

1. You seem like you’re more experienced at this game than I initially presumed. Have you played elsewhere?

2. You do seem to be deflecting. Ive been chaulking this up to immaturity, either in the game or in age, or both. At the beginning of the game, however, you offered up what I thought was some of the better analysis to that point. I’d like to see some of that now. Can you put Ebon’s bullying aside and try again at breaking down your thinking for us? 

these are good points, but again really irks me you class this as bullying Lmfao

it's part of the game to apply pressure and hunt scum, not once have I been personal its only been about the game

dude head out of **** time

Can I point out this is my First mafia game?

You speak of new players, well I am also a new player using my "veteran" status against me is a false pretence...

Ebon’s aggressiveness is his playstyle, just as Pod’s erraticism is his and my penchant for flavour is mine own. At different times I think all of this has irritated some or other player or players. But as we play more together we get a feel for this and learn to put up with it and even enjoy it!

1 minute ago, Matt3412 said:

2. On the ebon point I actually came out and said I don't think hes suspsious anymore, then as we've seen he slowly integrated himself with ovi's argument against me. The amount aggressiveness is truly new to me. Its seems way over the top. My gut has me looking at one of them.

you built this only after i asked you questions which you're still to answer???

If you're constantly deflecting everything at you what should i think? You literally only came up with the ovi/me case bc we voted you, and still really to provide a reason other than they voted me?

Just now, clontroper5 said:

Can I point out this is my First mafia game?

You speak of new players, well I am also a new player using my "veteran" status against me is a false pretence...

Apologies. I thought you were a seasoned player. This changes my view

##unvote @clontroper5

I'm a sceptic and I think all new players to a group should be of any line.

Were veterans this what it's like in this group. This unfortunately is a game of lying and gamesmanship. Everything anyone says can easily be misinformation.

@Lord Preyer

IMO matty today, 2% chance he's town im looking clon.

But IMO again I think Matty got unlucky with scum this game, and is in a hard spot.

Every point someone makes to discredit someone else you should think critically of what they have to gain from said point

Same as Cal and Jabbas first games but worse, a true baptism of fire...

It's harsh cuase he's new but that isn't town cred

Taking a shower hope I don't die in there lol