15 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

Oh, for sure. To be clear, again, I absolutely loved Solo. It's just that one thing that bothers me.

I loved the pandering that a lot of people seemed to hate. I wanted it to be a star wars movie, so the best way to make it clear is to link it with obvious and subtle things. There's nothing wrong with that to me. Could the story have been a bit better, yes I could agree. But it's modern day Hollywood which is not known to be great for it's story telling right now.

4 hours ago, NeverBetTheFett said:

Well we already got Poe "Dameron", named after the director's assistant. We also get Ello Asty named after the Beastie Boys album. Very star wars. Thanks Hollywood!

You would have never known about JJ's assistant in nobody told you. It would have easily passed under the radar. As for Ello Asty, clearly JJ had to pick a lesser album for the name, because Auls Outique didn't test well with audiences. Gotta do what you gotta do to make that $1B box office record.

3 hours ago, angelman2 said:

...and Chewbacca was named after George Lucas' dog & Luke after GL himself. So yeah, these names are squarely within the SW tradition.

The design of Chewie riding shotgun was inspired by GL's dog. The Alaskan Malamute that launched Star Wars was actually the namesake for Indiana Jones and a malamute (probably not THE malamute, who was probably long dead) makes a cameo in Last Crusade as a blink-and-you-miss-it setup for the punchline at the end when we discover "Indiana" Jones nicknamed himself after the family dog, citing fond memories as the reason.

@Fourtytwo

Some of these video "reviews" you allude to are more well presented than others. Enjoyment of movies is in the eye of the beholder, but if one were to do a proper criticism of any movie, you need to present your angle, as your perspective is what informs whether the review will be of value to someone. Of course reading reviews for a movie you're going to see anyways always seemed weird to me.

If you want Star Wars porn, then Rogue One and Solo are for you.

If you find retcon prequels not that exciting, then you're not going to like Rogue One and Solo as much as others might.

It turns out that this is ok. There's plenty of entertainment to consume, even within Star Wars. Not everything with that logo attached is going to be great or even "good", and many stinkers will come out too. You're free to like and not like whatever aspects of it that work for you. The problem is that for 40+ years, fans have their own "head canon" about what they like, don't like, and what they think the implied details are that explains origins of plot elements and characters.

Amazingly, you can have fun, measured debates with your fellow humans over points like that, and every now and then you might have your mind changed when you see something in a different light.

When it comes to the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum that you refer to, it's best to stand clear.

On topic:

Boba Fett fix, or there's going to be a dumpster fire. Or not? Let's see if we get any interesting surprise Skirmish pieces in the box after all. Ah, to be only in this game for the campaign, where the spoilers aren't something to obsess over because the story itself is meant to be a surprise for everyone to enjoy as they go through it.

Not us though, we need the details!

1 hour ago, cleardave said:

On topic:

Boba Fett fix, or there's going to be a dumpster fire. Or not? Let's see if we get any interesting surprise Skirmish pieces in the box after all. Ah, to be only in this game for the campaign, where the spoilers aren't something to obsess over because the story itself is meant to be a surprise for everyone to enjoy as they go through it.

Not us though, we need the details!

To be fair, Rebels have Han, Chewy, and Luke to build around. The Imperials have Vader, and the Mercs have IG-88. So, I don't see why a suped up Boba can't be added to the mix. He-ll even a new and improved Weiss for the Imps side. Ok, we may not get it this wave, but I really feel a Boba fix is on the way. Playing the Spectre Group seems like it could be really fun, possibly unstoppable. Imps and Mercs may need a boost.

2 minutes ago, NeverBetTheFett said:

He-ll even a new and improved Weiss for the Imps side.

Seriously. Weiss is fine as is- if they would only drop his point cost down to reasonable levels.

AT-ST for 11-12?

Weiss for 13-14?

Not to mention this guy:

12 points?

10 minutes ago, King_Balrog said:

Seriously. Weiss is fine as is- if they would only drop his point cost down to reasonable levels.

AT-ST for 11-12?

Weiss for 13-14?

Not to mention this guy:

12 points?

Agreed. I could go for some point reductions for these to bring them to the table.

5 hours ago, NeverBetTheFett said:

I agree. I found Solo and Rogue One a lot better than the "new class" movies. I just won't go around telling everyone how stupid they are for liking them. To each his own! As long as it's Star Wars!

People telling people they are stupid for (dis)liking some cultural icon thingy are... not helpful I for one LOVE everything that has come out of Disney era LFL so far... I really, REALLY like R1, Solo, and TLJ, and I think much of TFA is pretty darned fine too!

So yeah...

(Also, I totally just fell over and ruined my ankle, so I shan't complain about anything for the time being. ...there are worse things in life than pop culture.. OUCH!!!!!) ...

34 minutes ago, angelman2 said:

(Also, I totally just fell over and ruined my ankle, so I shan't complain about anything for the time being. ...there are worse things in life than pop culture.. OUCH!!!!!) ...

Karmic retribution for Star Wars Fandom Wrongthink.

But seriously, it's interesting to dissect why something did or didn't work for you compared to someone else, but for some reason a lot of people like to take it personally.

That said, with regards to Solo, instead of that failed scene where they do a callback to Han and Leia getting cozy in the Falcon before C-3P0 wrecks it, wouldn't it have been a more clever nod to the good movies if they showed Future-Han's signature clothes in the Falcon's walk-in closet? He's not really dressed like that in the movie and it would at least be a real fan service joke that goes back to why Lando's wearing his clothes at the end of Empire.

I better stop before I go off on it.

Back to IA;

As much as I want that Boba fix, I think that's when it ventures out into non-Core territory for fixes. Everything else came from that initial wave, and there's still AT-ST/Weiss/Champ to tinker with to make more competitive, and they're units that generally speaking, all players should have access to.

I have my Miami Weiss bias of course, so I'd prefer he gets the lead first above all else, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

16 hours ago, King_Balrog said:

AT-ST 10pts

Weiss 11pt

12 pts

Kayn Somos at 6pts. The Imperials have tons of great figures, they are all over costed for skirmish though

16 hours ago, angelman2 said:

People telling people they are stupid for (dis)liking some cultural icon thingy are... not helpful I for one LOVE everything that has come out of Disney era LFL so far... I really, REALLY like R1, Solo, and TLJ, and I think much of TFA is pretty darned fine too!

Agree again. It's like, well at least they're making Star Wars movies! And to be honest, so are so many other BAD movies out there (like broken ankle bad), that there is no way these movies are any more than a sprain!

Also, put some ice on that!

15 hours ago, cleardave said:

Karmic retribution for Star Wars Fandom Wrongthink.

But seriously, it's interesting to dissect why something did or didn't work for you compared to someone else, but for some reason a lot of people like to take it personally.

That said, with regards to Solo, instead of that failed scene where they do a callback to Han and Leia getting cozy in the Falcon before C-3P0 wrecks it, wouldn't it have been a more clever nod to the good movies if they showed Future-Han's signature clothes in the Falcon's walk-in closet? He's not really dressed like that in the movie and it would at least be a real fan service joke that goes back to why Lando's wearing his clothes at the end of Empire.

I better stop before I go off on it.

Back to IA;

As much as I want that Boba fix, I think that's when it ventures out into non-Core territory for fixes. Everything else came from that initial wave, and there's still AT-ST/Weiss/Champ to tinker with to make more competitive, and they're units that generally speaking, all players should have access to.

I have my Miami Weiss bias of course, so I'd prefer he gets the lead first above all else, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

Triggered! LOL. Kidding bud. I know how much you hate the prequel stuff. I'm all for making new star wars stories, but don't make them tear apart the essence of the trilogy. Also, pump the breaks on the mandatory hollywood SJW spice. It's not cool. But I think you'd agree with that at least? Also, I'd have to agree with @King_Balrog . Weiss ain't that bad bruh! Just need to nut up and play him, which I think you have before. And I don't mean subbing his token in to measure your Rancor moves! LOL. Genius btw.

@NeverBetTheFett

See, calling "Triggered!" is the kind of extreme all or nothing response that sets off ragers online between people.

I used no exclamation marks, bolded text, etc to indicated anger, or a raised voice, just an idea of how to fix one of the many scenes that don't work.

Another broad idea; make it so there's a real reason Han is lusting after the Falcon, other than the plot demands he be fixated on the ship because it's famous to us. He seems hellbent on scooping it from Lando because reasons? Just checking those boxes, right Disney?

You claim to not want movies to tear apart the essence of the original trilogy, and here's Soylo (calling him that because he's clearly not the same character of Han Solo as seen in the original movies, not because I'm part of some anti-Star-Wars identity group, I just liked their parody title and adopted it to tell the difference between this Han, Real Han, and Old Han), giving us the chance to see what made Han love the ship so much, I guess, and instead it's just like "Lando, I want your ship. It belongs with me because continuity demands it. Also, would you mind holding up your arms in a defensive stance so we can get a cheap call back to that time you almost punched me out on Cloud City a few years from now?"

Re: Weiss ;

Say what you want about my token, but when was the last time you saw General Weiss appear on stream, in a winning match, at a Regional? Oh, snap! ?

We've theorized before how best to use the good General. Maybe now with Reinforceable Riots and his Command Card, there's a good game of attrition to try running. Don't be afraid to Blast your own dudes, I guess.

25 minutes ago, cleardave said:

Re: Weiss ;

Say what you want about my token, but when was the last time you saw General Weiss appear on stream, in a winning match, at a Regional? Oh, snap! ?

We've theorized before how best to use the good General. Maybe now with Reinforceable Riots and his Command Card, there's a good game of attrition to try running. Don't be afraid to Blast your own dudes, I guess.

Again he's too expensive, but otherwise, his card is solid.

1 minute ago, King_Balrog said:

Again he's too expensive, but otherwise, his card is solid.

But that's the problem isn't it? When we talk about fixes, often it's just a matter of right-sizing costing. Really that's all that needs fixing for any "unplayable" unit we have. Even Vader, Han, Chewie, IG-88 could have all been cost-reduced and played "as-is" otherwise, but because that involves making errata documents more annoying for people to track for things like list building, we're left with these upgrade cards, which don't come out nearly fast enough to get these units back to the table.

And there's so many interesting deployments we could be otherwise making cool lists with, but here we are, wringing our hands about it online.

Just give the people what they want, FFG!

Make Weiss Great For Once.

That'd make a great t-shirt or ball cap slogan, maybe in a tasteful red. Who's with me?

Going to try him at our Store Championships this weekend. I'm the judge, so I'll only play if the numbers are odd. I have 2 goals. Draw and use Endless Reserves, and get an attack off dealing blast 3.

On 8/16/2018 at 3:24 PM, cleardave said:

But that's the problem isn't it? When we talk about fixes, often it's just a matter of right-sizing costing. Really that's all that needs fixing for any "unplayable" unit we have. Even Vader, Han, Chewie, IG-88 could have all been cost-reduced and played "as-is" otherwise, but because that involves making errata documents more annoying for people to track for things like list building, we're left with these upgrade cards, which don't come out nearly fast enough to get these units back to the table.

Honestly, I wish they'd just release an app like the one for X-Wing 2.0 that sets the cost for units. Or just errata them. I'm sure this is hardly a new observation, but if you can change wording on a card, why not a number in the corner?

It bothers me that the heroes and villains of the campaign are mostly unusable for competitive skirmish. I'd quite enjoy playing through with a favorite hero then building a list around them for skirmish without being destroyed. Maybe at some point they'll do something like Arkham Horror's Return to the Night of the Zealot with upgrades (i.e. new missions and fixes for the heroes and Weiss) to the core campaign.