So I'm trying something new. We're sacrificing editing, for time. We recorded this earlier today and would appreciate feedback on whether you'd rather us edit with our normal schedule or have us release as is after we record.

https://scumvillainy.podbean.com/e/ep-78-gencon-and-20-list-building/

Sable, Scruffy, Starslinger, Will and Kelvan talk about the events of GenCon including their North American Championship results and the 2.0 tournament.

We also go over list building in 2.0, some of our favorite value cards, and some of our Favorite lists.

Fun episode. I am one of those who was just overwhelmed by the amount of content with which to build, so it was good hearing some ideas. Tyler - what a great list! As a fan of TIE strikers, I can totally get behind that Whisper + 4 Planetary Defenders squad. Also, super great to have Sable Gryphon regularly on the show again.

2 hours ago, Parakitor said:

Fun episode. I am one of those who was just overwhelmed by the amount of content with which to build, so it was good hearing some ideas. Tyler - what a great list! As a fan of TIE strikers, I can totally get behind that Whisper + 4 Planetary Defenders squad. Also, super great to have Sable Gryphon regularly on the show again.

The sloan/ ruthlessness/ multiple blocker combo is insane.

I haven't had a chance to listen to the episode yet, but does Blair know Predator is primary only?

Tyler's list is definitely the scariest at first blush. Sloane is an incredible card.

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

I haven't had a chance to listen to the episode yet, but does Blair know Predator is primary only?

Tyler's list is definitely the scariest at first blush. Sloane is an incredible card.

I'll bet he does not.

2.0... what a world.

Really enjoyed the episode. I could tell that the editing was not y'all's usual standard but it was not hard to listen to. Maybe it's just a matter of lowered expectations since I listen to the Krayts now...

Anyways, I've wished before that you guys could release faster, so I'm in favor of this quicker turn around.

39 minutes ago, Q10fanatic said:

Really enjoyed the episode. I could tell that the editing was not y'all's usual standard but it was not hard to listen to. Maybe it's just a matter of lowered expectations since I listen to the Krayts now...

Anyways, I've wished before that you guys could release faster, so I'm in favor of this quicker turn around.

Trendsetting in lower quality.

But thank you!

So I'm going through trying to figure out lists I want to try out. I've broken it down to:

Horton List
Awing Swarm
Lambda Shuttle list, preferably a swarm.
Straight up tie swarm
Some sort of Tug Boat list, for reasons.
Gunboat List
Probably an Xwing Swarm.

I'll fill them in as I think of them. I'll try to try each out at some point.

6 hours ago, Kelvan said:

2.0... what a world.

I know, right. A couple days ago, my local group was having a discussion about how we were pretty much okay with not putting any particular upgrade on a ship. Like "I don't really have the points for the Sensor slot" followed by a shoulder shrug.

A/Y nirvana. For 200 points:

Horton Salm (Expert Handling, Ion Cannon Turret, Veteran Turret Gunner, R5 Astromech)

Grey Squadron Bomber (Skilled Bombardier, Proton Bombs, Ion Cannon Turret)

Jake Farrell (Daredevil, Proton Rockets)

Arvel Crynyd (Intimidation, Proton Rockets)

A mix of control, bombs, and blammo strike ... Arvel pairs so nicely with Horton, with Jake to throw some Focus. It's like pairing brains with a nice Chianti.

38 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

A/Y nirvana. For 200 points:

Horton Salm (Expert Handling, Ion Cannon Turret, Veteran Turret Gunner, R5 Astromech)

Grey Squadron Bomber (Skilled Bombardier, Proton Bombs, Ion Cannon Turret)

Jake Farrell (Daredevil, Proton Rockets)

Arvel Crynyd (Intimidation, Proton Rockets)

A mix of control, bombs, and blammo strike ... Arvel pairs so nicely with Horton, with Jake to throw some Focus. It's like pairing brains with a nice Chianti.

I think Arvel is amazing now!

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

I know, right. A couple days ago, my local group was having a discussion about how we were pretty much okay with not putting any particular upgrade on a ship. Like "I don't really have the points for the Sensor slot" followed by a shoulder shrug.

I mean no one knows at this point. You know you're gonna see a tie swarm, boba fett, and sup Vader. After that it's crazy.

48 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

A/Y nirvana. For 200 points:

Horton Salm (Expert Handling, Ion Cannon Turret, Veteran Turret Gunner, R5 Astromech)

Grey Squadron Bomber (Skilled Bombardier, Proton Bombs, Ion Cannon Turret)

Jake Farrell (Daredevil, Proton Rockets)

Arvel Crynyd (Intimidation, Proton Rockets)

A mix of control, bombs, and blammo strike ... Arvel pairs so nicely with Horton, with Jake to throw some Focus. It's like pairing brains with a nice Chianti.

Im trying this right now for Horton. I think wedge, arvel, and Horton pair well.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!51:122,100:-1:-1:;5:119,-1,0,105,143:-1:-1:;26:120,138,-1,-1,-1,68,90:-1:-1:;16:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

I know, right. A couple days ago, my local group was having a discussion about how we were pretty much okay with not putting any particular upgrade on a ship. Like "I don't really have the points for the Sensor slot" followed by a shoulder shrug.

Sacrilege!

1 minute ago, Kelvan said:

Im trying this right now for Horton. I think wedge, arvel, and Horton pair well.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!51:122,100:-1:-1:;5:119,-1,0,105,143:-1:-1:;26:120,138,-1,-1,-1,68,90:-1:-1:;16:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

"No green dice for you! And I shall reroll my attacks!"

Though I really like the Prockets on Arvel if you can pass him a focus. Smash into someone, drop their pants, shove them five dice of Prockets and giggle as they can't shoot back.

I'm sure this is the benchmark swarm already:
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!217:-1,-1:-1:-1:;218:-1,-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

I prefer this Imperial swarm myself:

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!203:125,134,-1,97,-1,71,-1,-1:-1:-1:;208:134,97,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;208:134,97,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;208:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;208:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=New Squadron&obs=

Or this Rebel swarm:

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!52:116,100:-1:-1:;52:116,100:-1:-1:;52:116,100:-1:-1:;52:116,100:-1:-1:;51:122,102:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

Edit:

Or, this, Imps:

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!164:113,-1,97,104,139:-1:-1:U.-1,U.-1;164:113,-1,97,104,139:-1:-1:U.-1,U.-1;164:113,-1,97,104,139:-1:-1:U.-1,U.-1;161:129,113,-1,97,104,139:-1:-1:U.-1,U.-1&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

'Cause GUNBOAT!

2 hours ago, Kelvan said:

I mean no one knows at this point. You know you're gonna see a tie swarm, boba fett, and sup Vader. After that it's crazy.

2 ship list with Boba and Guri pictured:

4 hours ago, Q10fanatic said:

2 ship list with Boba and Guri pictured:

I'm going to try to work another scum list, but i keep looking looking at firesprays.

5 hours ago, Kelvan said:

I'm sure this is the benchmark swarm already:
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!217:-1,-1:-1:-1:;218:-1,-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:;228:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

So many swarms...

No, I block YOU...
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!218:128,-1:-1:-1:;217:132,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=TIE Swarm&obs=

INFERNO!!!
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!218:116,-1:-1:-1:;217:132,-1:-1:-1:;224:125,-1:-1:-1:;222:128,-1:-1:-1:;223:116,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Inferno swarm&obs=

19 hours ago, Biophysical said:

I haven't had a chance to listen to the episode yet, but does Blair know Predator is primary only?

Tyler's list is definitely the scariest at first blush. Sloane is an incredible card.

23 hours ago, Kelvan said:

The sloan/ ruthlessness/ multiple blocker combo is insane.

Yea, im really excited to get my echo swarm on the table. Sloane is my favorite imp card. Was looking at strikers like Tyler, but I think more is merrier, and Echo is a lot harder to pin down.

From limited testing, it seems the locals have basically the all gravtitaed to miniswarm TIEs or full on swarm

Hard to argue with them, Howlie/Iden/Mr. meeko (look at me!) all have powerful and syngeristic abilities that make rebels look like dorks

So, basically any list make has to take howlie swarms into effect, which basically means you either stuff yourself with rerolls + focus and/or Trajectory Simulator

So basically every list has either a punisher or moldy crow with optional Sol Sixxa havoc. Seri (aka The "Antirunner") seems promising

And until FFG gives Kwings the ****** Trajectory Simulators they deserve, I ain't touching rebels

2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

From limited testing, it seems the locals have basically the all gravtitaed to miniswarm TIEs or full on swarm

Hard to argue with them, Howlie/Iden/Mr. meeko (look at me!) all have powerful and syngeristic abilities that make rebels look like dorks

So, basically any list make has to take howlie swarms into effect, which basically means you either stuff yourself with rerolls + focus and/or Trajectory Simulator

So basically every list has either a punisher or moldy crow with optional Sol Sixxa havoc. Seri (aka The "Antirunner") seems promising

And until FFG gives Kwings the ****** Trajectory Simulators they deserve, I ain't touching rebels

I think you'll see aces deal with swarms well. It's just that aces got harder.

Either way I know in my heart im running a tournament with Arvel/Horton at least once.

3 hours ago, wurms said:

Yea, im really excited to get my echo swarm on the table. Sloane is my favorite imp card. Was looking at strikers like Tyler, but I think more is merrier, and Echo is a lot harder to pin down.

So i think you have a good point that you'll have more ships to trigger Sloane. But those striker have more "weight" they're harder to not shoot.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!186:14,63,-1:-1:-1:;186:26,-1,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;213:-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;213:-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=New Squadron&obs=

Unrelated I've been staring at this for 2 days.

On 8/11/2018 at 3:05 PM, gennataos said:

So many swarms...

No, I block YOU...
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!218:128,-1:-1:-1:;217:132,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=TIE Swarm&obs=

INFERNO!!!
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!218:116,-1:-1:-1:;217:132,-1:-1:-1:;224:125,-1:-1:-1:;222:128,-1:-1:-1:;223:116,-1:-1:-1:;229:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Inferno swarm&obs=

I think the Inferno squad is better in a swarm mirror but generally worse in the wild. That being said if swarms are prevalent, it may be the correct call.