1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

Indeed. There is more than enough material in the Clone Wars era to fill several books. I don't think we need to worry that the books will feel padded out.

Of course, much of it has already filled several of the books we have. Since this is a book for all three lines, I hate having repeated material from any of the lines in it. The reprinting of the Kaminoans is just the first confirmed irritation I have with it.

For some reason I hate the title of the book... Sounds so cheesy.

Secondly, I really hope they can give some love to the opposite side of the conflict. As much as I love the clone troopers and the Jedi, I am so tired of the Separatists being labeled as the default villains just because the main characters fight for the Republic. If they can add love to the CIS as much as the Republic this would really sell it for me.

But I honestly doubt it.
Star systems prohibited to leave so they unite and force themselves out with battle droids = Evil.
Spiritual peace keepers leading a slave army and are ok with that = Good.

As seen in Rebels and some comics, the Battle Droids too have the ability to become individual. But we're not gonna see any career for playing Battle Droids or Tactical Battle Droids or Separatist Commandos, are we?

Maybe we'll lucky and they will do a "Attack of the Clones" era book as a counterpart.

Just now, SSB_Shadow said:

For some reason I hate the title of the book... Sounds so cheesy.

I can never complain about cheesy, it's "Star Wars", not sure you can get much cheesier than that! It was always a B Movie title.

3 minutes ago, Darzil said:

I can never complain about cheesy, it's "Star Wars", not sure you can get much cheesier than that! It was always a B Movie title.

I know, I know... It was just a remark of my opinion. In contrast, Dawn of Rebellion sounds so much more powerful. But I guess "Clone Wars" is too direct of a name.

2 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm curious just how much it will truly explore the "Heroes on Both Sides" idea, as everythig I've seen for Clone Wars is pretty much a clear Jedi & Republic Good/Separatists Bad divide. It's also somewhat telling that while Clones get a species and specialized careers, nothing is mentioned of either of those for Separatist droids. Jedi also get a Career, but I don't expect a Sith Career in this time period as there are already three of them active. Oh well, at least the Seps get Geonosians.?

This is where I would absolutely focus a campaign. To my mind, making Dooku a clear villain was a huge mistake in the prequels. Even if he had fallen to the Dark Side, I would have had him claim to still be a Jedi, arguing against the Order being so closely tied to the Republic. After all, the Separatist movement could really only take off because of actual failures of the Republic to represent so many different planets and cultures. When so many systems decide to leave, the Republic trying to keep them by force should rub a lot of Jedi the wrong way. I would imagine huge arguments in the Temple, as the establishment tries to support the Republic, while a lot of Jedi out in the field have seen the war blast cities into rubble, leaving Separatist civilians dead, homeless, starving, and diseased. Such a situation could easily cause a schism in the Jedi Order, with many leaving Coruscant to initially act as sort of a Peace Corp, but eventually crossing blades with their former brethren.

Which, if you're a manipulative Sith Lord, is a much better way to begin the eradication of the Jedi.

Darn it. I really wasn't that excited at the announcement, but now I wanna run a Clone Wars campaign.

I'd even enjoy an Infinites story where Dooku was the "last true Jedi" fighting for the freedom of the Galaxy and Windu was actually Tyrranus. Despite this, I'd still have many bad seeds among the Separatists, including Greivous (the Saw Guerrera of the Seps).

50 minutes ago, Darzil said:

I can never complain about cheesy, it's "Star Wars", not sure you can get much cheesier than that! It was always a B Movie title.

Have you ever watched the OT muted, with subtitles? It looks like a B-movie whenever Vader appears. James Earl Jones made Vader frightening. Without him, and Alec Guiness, Star Wars would never have made it.

5 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm not sure I like the idea of a specific Jedi career. It really makes the FaD Careers all feel even more like poseurs now.

I understand that, and I agree to an extent, but I like the concept that the FaD careers are poseurs next to the Jedi Knights of Old.

12 hours ago, Wilhelm Screamer said:

I do wonder how much stuff that was already in books will be printed again here (like the piles of clone wars gear in Forged in Battle or Knights of Fate). My initial guess was none but the inclusion of Kaminoans as a species afain makes me think we will see more.

Sure Kaminoans are in the FaD line and this is in the era line, they are going to republish so they're available to AoR, and EotE.

2 hours ago, Ghostofman said:

That guy Ahsoka had the hots for was presented as a "good" separatist... until he defected.

The droid species is already covered, why would seppie droids be different?

Playing a battle droid seems like a good way to get chopped up by a Padawan.

14 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Playing a battle droid seems like a good way to get chopped up by a Padawan.

Actually that's a goodish point. I suspect that NPC generic Jedi, Padawans, and Masters will be in this book, which may provide some interesting perspective.

44 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Playing a battle droid seems like a good way to get chopped up by a Padawan.

Or a great way to kill some padawans!

I notice that it appears FFG has caught wise to our strategy of mining the image file-names for additional data . Each of the files is just called a "cutout."

Finally! All the stupid arguments about “how do I make the most efficient Jedi with Force and Destiny” can finally end. Unfortunately I can already hear the purists telling their players “you can’t start as a Master (whoops, should be Knight), you have to finish the Padwan tree first!”

I wonder what other specialisations could be put into Jedi? Padwan and Master(Knight...) are broad and covers most, but there must be other ideas. A failed Jedi could be cool, for characters who trained in the temple but left due to being unable to complete the trials. Or a Fallen Jedi, one who became a knight then fell to the Dark Side.

I totally agree that there could have been a battle droid species, that would have been awesome. And for those wondering what it would look like there’s a species in the Genesys core book called Bioroid, it’s heaps better than the normal Droid, and would work really well as a Battle Droid. Otherwise there’s the “Networked Intelligence” that was given to Robots in Genesys, that is an excellent ability for the CIS droids.

Another question, does this mean we will get another Era book for during the Galactic Republic’s time? What about a book with other non Jedi Force traditions as careers? A book with a Nightsister career?

31 minutes ago, Richardbuxton said:

Unfortunately I can already hear the purists telling their players “you can’t start as a Master, you have to finish the Padwan tree first!” 

Shhhhhh. Stop giving Tramp ideas?

57 minutes ago, Richardbuxton said:

I wonder what other specialisations could be put into Jedi? Padwan and Master are broad and covers most, but there must be other ideas.

The announced specs are Padawan and Knight, not Master.

2 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

The announced specs are Padawan and Knight, not Master.

Whoops, I guess Master could be a good Signature Ability, if it’s not one of the other Specs.

1 hour ago, Absol197 said:

I notice that it appears FFG has caught wise to our strategy of mining the image file-names for additional data . Each of the files is just called a "cutout."

They got off their lazy @sses and finally put some xp into Perception....

7 hours ago, TyrisFlare said:

Yeah, and I'm sure it's fine for a lot of games. But it will be disappointing if these two end up with like FR 3.

So far the Jedi with stats in the books (like Jewel of Yavin or the Edge ones) are really pathetic.

The published Jedi AND Sith are really pathetic. In this regard the Count and the young Obi-Wan look actually much better than anything we got so far.
Or in other words, most groups will might be the heroes of the battle of Endor, kick Vader's ***, save young Skywalker and blow up the death star with Palp on it, all with just 1000xp if you take the stats as written for fact on your table.

The general assumption of FFG seems to be that most paying customers start a campaign with zero or 150xp and end it with 300xp, just to build a new 150xp character. Seems odd to me, but all publications seem to be aiming on that, Genesys character sheet even lacks space for more stuff.

3 hours ago, The Grand Falloon said:

Which, if you're a manipulative Sith Lord, is a much better way to begin the eradication of the Jedi.

It's actually not, because having all the jedi under your control und ready to get slaughter is a much safer bet than to have a whole army of actual good jedi left and uncontrolled roaming the galaxy and doing god knows what.
Order 66 was a rather brilliant thing. It's elegant and imprisons all dangerous jedi years before you actually kill them.

Now having the Jedi just take command of those armies seems rather stupid still, and it gets more silly, because after some time they realize that the Sith ordered the GAR.

Anyway, looking forward to this new book.

33 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Now having the Jedi just take command of those armies seems rather stupid still, and it gets more silly, because after some time they realize that the Sith ordered the GAR. 

Makes sense when you make the rather easy assumption that Sidious wanted to make the Jedi morally degrade themselves, not just kill them.

4 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

Hopefully, if such a book exists, it will have a spec for a cyborg death machine like Grievous (and the Kaleesh species too!). Yeah I know there's Cyber Tech, but that's more for someone that tinkers with enhancements rather than being a borged out freak.

I feel like a follow up to this book would also be the perfect time to put such a spec, since Grievous's death (and only time spent on the big screen) immediately precedes the Emperor stuffing Vader into his new cybernetic suit. There's really no better point in the cinematic narrative to situate the introduction of a cyborg spec than the end of the republic!

I'd also really like to get more stats for CIS ships, because I loved watching ships like the Lucrehulk and Providence classes duke it out with swarms of Nubian fighters or Republican Venators as a kid.

4 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

Of course, much of it has already filled several of the books we have. Since this is a book for all three lines, I hate having repeated material from any of the lines in it. The reprinting of the Kaminoans is just the first confirmed irritation I have with it.

Conversely, I believe there are many more of us (especially those of us who don't own every book) who find the idea of a consolidated source of information much more appealing.

In fact, I'll be *extremely* irritated if I find iconic vehicles, weapons, and equipment from this era omitted from "Rise of the Separatists" just because the material was featured in some random book elsewhere...

This new sourcebook, IMHO, should contain *everything* you would need to role play in the early period of the Clone Wars (aside from a core rule book).

Just now, Harlock999 said:

This new sourcebook, IMHO, should contain *everything* you would need to role play in the early period of the Clone Wars (aside from a core rule book).

Have you seen Dawn of Rebellion? What you're asking for is not how FFG does things. They want you to have to buy everything, and they want you to want to do it.

5 hours ago, The Grand Falloon said:

To my mind, making Dooku a clear villain was a huge mistake in the prequels. Even if he had fallen to the Dark Side, I would have had him claim to still be a Jedi, arguing against the Order being so closely tied to the Republic. After all, the Separatist movement could really only take off because of actual failures of the Republic to represent so many different planets and cultures. When so many systems decide to leave, the Republic trying to keep them by force should rub a lot of Jedi the wrong way. I would imagine huge arguments in the Temple, as the establishment tries to support the Republic, while a lot of Jedi out in the field have seen the war blast cities into rubble, leaving Separatist civilians dead, homeless, starving, and diseased.

This is pretty much exactly who Count Dooku was in everything outside the prequel movies. In Legends Dooku is actually a deeply principled man, entirely sincere about wanting to build a better galaxy. A lot of the Jedi who do end up switching sides do so because they actually agree that the Republic is a failure, but all of them go straight off to the Dark Side. We could have had what was effectively a Separatist Jedi Order going up against the Republic Jedi Order but instead we ended up with "BWAHAHAHAHA!!!" evil villains and it was a wasted opportunity.

I'm hoping that supplements like this give players the opportunity to put things in a different light, since the Separatists have legitimate reason to want to break away from the Republic, it's just the tendency to turn most notable Separatists into generic evil overlords that makes them the bad guys.

Is a Jedi Master really a career, or just a Jedi who has the Mastery ability for at least one force tree, and a high enough Force Rating that they can usually make it work?