3 Steel's Bane
3 Dragonmage
3 Repeater Bolt Thrower
3 Gifts of Aenarion
3 Silver Helm Detachment
3 Contested Village
3 Master Rune of Valaya
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3 Envoy from Averlorn
3 Sword Masters of Hoeth
3 High Elf Spearman
3 Initiate of Saphery
3 Loremaster of Hoeth
1 Defend Tor Aendris
1 Wake the dragons
1 Infiltrate !
3 High Elf's Disdain (anti mob up)
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2 Pilgrimage
3 Ancient Map
2 Blessing of isha
2 Dragon Mage Awakening
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Very defensiv deck, that can win with Repeater Bolt Thrower or Innovate!

Advice and idea welcome

Please explain the core concepts behind how to play your deck. Especially useful as Assault hasn't been released yet, and it would be a pain to go through the spoiler list card by card...

PS I'm undecided between Chaos+Skaven or HE deck for the upcoming regional champ. here in the UK (Aldershot).

Core concept is defence :

Early defence with steel bane, master rune of valaya or eaven Gift of earion.
Middle game defence Dragonmage + Defend Tor aendris.
Late defense recursive wake the dragon + infinite Gift of Aerion.

You win with the bolt trower or decking the opponnent with infiltrate.

I'm still undecided about what deck to use for the regionals: either Chaos + Skaven, or HE. The bolt thrower looks good, albeit has a high cost.

Just to clarify the annoying and confusing M:TG 1337 speak, "recursive" is an overly pendantic way to say Recycling.

Echtalion, will AoU be released in time for the Regionals? If so, you may want to wait and see all the options you have before crafting your tourney deck. I'm undecided still for the local FFG Regionals at the Event Center. Too many choices now. But what worries me is that most people are probably just going to revert to using an Orc Deck (easiest to play, fastest still, and probably still most powerful with the best odds of granting a victory). Sigh.

If I knew that there would be a bigger variety, I'd definitely try something more wide-ranging and that offered some variety. As it stands, I'm really unsure.

Renju, I like your deck...it's tough.

Wytefang said:

Just to clarify the annoying and confusing M:TG 1337 speak, "recursive" is an overly pendantic way to say Recycling.

Echtalion, will AoU be released in time for the Regionals? If so, you may want to wait and see all the options you have before crafting your tourney deck. I'm undecided still for the local FFG Regionals at the Event Center. Too many choices now. But what worries me is that most people are probably just going to revert to using an Orc Deck (easiest to play, fastest still, and probably still most powerful with the best odds of granting a victory). Sigh.

If I knew that there would be a bigger variety, I'd definitely try something more wide-ranging and that offered some variety. As it stands, I'm really unsure.

Renju, I like your deck...it's tough.

I think you need to stop with the bias against M:tG. You are getting so bad with it, that you are attributing things to M:tG that were not started by M:tG just in an attempt to "smear" the game. A quick search on Merriam-Webster will get you the definition of recursive.

Main Entry: re·cur·sive
Function: adjective
Date: 1934
1 : of, relating to, or involving recursion <a recursive function in a computer program>
2 : of, relating to, or constituting a procedure that can repeat itself indefinitely <a recursive rule in a grammar>

M:tG is definitely not 76 years old. If you would just ignore your inclination to bash M:tG, maybe the comparisons will die out on their own and this game can thrive as its own entity. The more the W:I vs M:tG flames are fanned, the more people will decide they can only focus on one of the games and despite what you may think, M:tG would win that battle.

About the deck in question. I think you should worry about the opponent being able to keep guys off of your quests. If they can do that, it shuts off your loops and they just then have to attrition you out. I think you should consider Gromril Armor to stop sniping shenanegans, not to mention how powerful it is on the Dragonmage. I also think you should strongly look at Blessing of Isha if Deathmaster is in your environment at all, and even still just to stop people from corrupting your infinite damage blocking dudes as corruption is one of the few ways to get around a Dragonmage or Swordmaster.

Recursive is both definitely far older than magic and a more pedantic way of saying recycle... though technically also more accurate for the mechanic in question.

echtalion said:

Why not substitute Surprise Assault for the Bolt Thrower? It's a tactic, so not subject to actions and abilities that target support cards, and it's far cheaper (2 resources) for the same effect...

CovertDad said:

Except Surprise Assault is one-shot (times 3), while BT is available any time you have the resources. And you can recycle BT from the discard pile. What cards are there to recycle SA back to hand/deck?

Dam said:

You have a point there...

darkdeal said:

Wytefang said:

Just to clarify the annoying and confusing M:TG 1337 speak, "recursive" is an overly pendantic way to say Recycling.

Echtalion, will AoU be released in time for the Regionals? If so, you may want to wait and see all the options you have before crafting your tourney deck. I'm undecided still for the local FFG Regionals at the Event Center. Too many choices now. But what worries me is that most people are probably just going to revert to using an Orc Deck (easiest to play, fastest still, and probably still most powerful with the best odds of granting a victory). Sigh.

If I knew that there would be a bigger variety, I'd definitely try something more wide-ranging and that offered some variety. As it stands, I'm really unsure.

Renju, I like your deck...it's tough.

I think you need to stop with the bias against M:tG. You are getting so bad with it, that you are attributing things to M:tG that were not started by M:tG just in an attempt to "smear" the game. A quick search on Merriam-Webster will get you the definition of recursive.

Main Entry: re·cur·sive
Function: adjective
Date: 1934
1 : of, relating to, or involving recursion <a recursive function in a computer program>
2 : of, relating to, or constituting a procedure that can repeat itself indefinitely <a recursive rule in a grammar>

M:tG is definitely not 76 years old. If you would just ignore your inclination to bash M:tG, maybe the comparisons will die out on their own and this game can thrive as its own entity. The more the W:I vs M:tG flames are fanned, the more people will decide they can only focus on one of the games and despite what you may think, M:tG would win that battle.

About the deck in question. I think you should worry about the opponent being able to keep guys off of your quests. If they can do that, it shuts off your loops and they just then have to attrition you out. I think you should consider Gromril Armor to stop sniping shenanegans, not to mention how powerful it is on the Dragonmage. I also think you should strongly look at Blessing of Isha if Deathmaster is in your environment at all, and even still just to stop people from corrupting your infinite damage blocking dudes as corruption is one of the few ways to get around a Dragonmage or Swordmaster.

Honestly, it's not about anti-Magic bias - I played it too, just like many of us here. It's a GREAT game though it never really caught on with me or my gaming group for a variety of reasons (cost, too much pre-existing history of the game to grasp and enjoy, overly competitive player-base, etc...).

My only gripe has always been about how silly it seems for people to come in here to a new forum for an entirely new game and expect people here to know and use their terms from an entirely different game. Just doesn't make sense and it comes off a bit elitist after a fashion. I'll admit that some terms from the world of CCG gaming have now since somewhat transcended their boundaries and I suppose in that regard, these usages can't be helped.

That being said, I was definitely aware that this word had its own definition previous to M:TG, my grumble was mainly that it's usage among our genre was popularized via an entirely different game. Not only that but as Dormouse has pointed out, it's a pedantic, unfriendly usage at that. Why not just say "Recycling?" It's far clearer and much easier to understand. It's a bit presumptuous to assume that W:I gamers will be familiar with or comfortable using a more "fancy" word when a much simpler and direct one will do.

Hope that makes sense. I (and a few others here) are not against M:TG at all (at least I'm not), but just the applied usage of terms here from a different game with the assumption that we 1. Are all familiar with those terms, and 2. Are comfortable or willing to make those terms standard for our beloved new game here.

Dam said:

There is a Neutral quest, Prepare for War (iirc) that can do that.

Wytefang said:

There is a Neutral quest, Prepare for War (iirc) that can do that.

Probably should've wrote:

What cards are there to recycle SA back to hand/deck that you can't use on BT as well?

Wytefang said:

darkdeal said:

Wytefang said:

Just to clarify the annoying and confusing M:TG 1337 speak, "recursive" is an overly pendantic way to say Recycling.

Echtalion, will AoU be released in time for the Regionals? If so, you may want to wait and see all the options you have before crafting your tourney deck. I'm undecided still for the local FFG Regionals at the Event Center. Too many choices now. But what worries me is that most people are probably just going to revert to using an Orc Deck (easiest to play, fastest still, and probably still most powerful with the best odds of granting a victory). Sigh.

If I knew that there would be a bigger variety, I'd definitely try something more wide-ranging and that offered some variety. As it stands, I'm really unsure.

Renju, I like your deck...it's tough.

I think you need to stop with the bias against M:tG. You are getting so bad with it, that you are attributing things to M:tG that were not started by M:tG just in an attempt to "smear" the game. A quick search on Merriam-Webster will get you the definition of recursive.

Main Entry: re·cur·sive
Function: adjective
Date: 1934
1 : of, relating to, or involving recursion <a recursive function in a computer program>
2 : of, relating to, or constituting a procedure that can repeat itself indefinitely <a recursive rule in a grammar>

M:tG is definitely not 76 years old. If you would just ignore your inclination to bash M:tG, maybe the comparisons will die out on their own and this game can thrive as its own entity. The more the W:I vs M:tG flames are fanned, the more people will decide they can only focus on one of the games and despite what you may think, M:tG would win that battle.

About the deck in question. I think you should worry about the opponent being able to keep guys off of your quests. If they can do that, it shuts off your loops and they just then have to attrition you out. I think you should consider Gromril Armor to stop sniping shenanegans, not to mention how powerful it is on the Dragonmage. I also think you should strongly look at Blessing of Isha if Deathmaster is in your environment at all, and even still just to stop people from corrupting your infinite damage blocking dudes as corruption is one of the few ways to get around a Dragonmage or Swordmaster.

Honestly, it's not about anti-Magic bias - I played it too, just like many of us here. It's a GREAT game though it never really caught on with me or my gaming group for a variety of reasons (cost, too much pre-existing history of the game to grasp and enjoy, overly competitive player-base, etc...).

My only gripe has always been about how silly it seems for people to come in here to a new forum for an entirely new game and expect people here to know and use their terms from an entirely different game. Just doesn't make sense and it comes off a bit elitist after a fashion. I'll admit that some terms from the world of CCG gaming have now since somewhat transcended their boundaries and I suppose in that regard, these usages can't be helped.

That being said, I was definitely aware that this word had its own definition previous to M:TG, my grumble was mainly that it's usage among our genre was popularized via an entirely different game. Not only that but as Dormouse has pointed out, it's a pedantic, unfriendly usage at that. Why not just say "Recycling?" It's far clearer and much easier to understand. It's a bit presumptuous to assume that W:I gamers will be familiar with or comfortable using a more "fancy" word when a much simpler and direct one will do.

Hope that makes sense. I (and a few others here) are not against M:TG at all (at least I'm not), but just the applied usage of terms here from a different game with the assumption that we 1. Are all familiar with those terms, and 2. Are comfortable or willing to make those terms standard for our beloved new game here.

I still don't understand your ill will towards words used in other games even though they have meanings outside of those game. Why should "recycle" be any better than "recur" or "bring back" or anything else? It seems completely arbitrary to me. What if to me "recycle" indicated more that you were putting a card from your discard pile back into your deck while "recur" had more of a meaning of from the dicard pile to your hand? And honestly, if someone has never heard of a "recurring dream", there is a situation that isn't just because of that one word. They could be people who don't use English as a first language or something and in that case, any other word could be just as difficult.

Really, it doesn't matter too much what a few people try to push as their own terminology for this, or any other, game. Whatever is the most common will probably stick and the terminology will evolve and become more defined for W:I over time. Even now, I still use words when I play M:tG that aren't the way everyone else talks about something.

This isn't limited to card games either though. People have actually started saying LOL or ROFL in real life instead of actually laughing, or OMG instead of actually saying the words. I do not do this and I refuse to assimilate into this current pop culture fad, but it is a good parallel to this discussion.

As long as people use words that have a real meaning and not some meaning based on the specific name of a card in another game that may or may not be known, I see no problem in calling something whatever as long as it makes sense.

Extremely fair points, Darkdeal and I also detest it when people retardedly substitute LOL or ROFL for real laughing or whatever. So dumb. LOL!