1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Well it's established she has some, if not all of Kylo's training, because he implanted his himself when he enter her mind. So she IS trained. Sort of. It's not conventional, but it is there. Also, Luke had been disconnected from the force so that even Leia couldn't sense him for decades. Dude might be a little rusty. And let's face it, his heart wasn't in that fight... he knew he was wrong and it had been weighing on him for years.

The elite guards maybe, makes sense but with Kylo's training, and the time she spent learning to connect to the force, it may be more than enough. Kylo was able enough, so it makes sense she would be close or even better if she had the same training.... which she does... literally... lol

It makes more sense to me than Luke bending energy torpedoes to sink a moon sized battle station after only like 30 min of drone exercises. lol

I just don't buy it. Raw power for reasons and skills learned by osmosis makes her a Mary Sue in my book. I never said it makes less sense than farmboy Luke. I already said he was a Mary Sue too. The Mary Sue-ness of Rey isn't even a complaint for me. I'm fine with a Mary Sue character as long as they're in a good movie and used well. Other than the visuals there was nothing that I liked about TLJ.

14 minutes ago, c5alinas said:

So has everybody got that out of there system.

Can we please countinue talking of the series.

S***, didn't see this till after I responded. Sorry.

Clearly I am apprehensive about the setting of the new series. I do like Jon Favreau though.

34 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I can believe a certain amount of incompetence but it's just scene after scene of it. From d*** near every character. After a certain point it becomes much easier to believe in incompetent script writers than two entire fleets worth of incompetent people.

But what if it is all incompetence? And I mean ALL OF IT.

I think the new Star Wars stuff falls under my Walking Dead theory: the rest of the world is handling the zombie apocalypse just fine, but that’s not who we’re going to follow in the story.

Star Wars probably follows that same line of thinking. After the death of the Emperor none of the other planets are probably interested in what the others are up to, so they all go and do their own thing to recover from the strain of being part of a galactic empire. But that’s not good enough for Leia. She’s all “Republic this” and “Republic that.” So they just hand her four crummy planets that were already war torn and that’s her Republic. Then a bunch of freedom haters find some old sugar daddy who used to live on one of those planets and wants the “kids off his lawn” who gives them the equipment to target the “new kids Republic” because they know they couldn’t handle any of the other planets that have their act together.

So basically the rest of the galaxy is watching the Republic fight the First Order like it’s the smelly kids who are playing in a sandbox the neighborhood cats regularly pee in. Nobody really cares what they’re doing, because they’re all incompetent and galactic federations are just as silly of a notion as galactic empires.

And no one can prove this theory wrong, because (as has been stated) no one really knows what’s going on unless you read some poorly written novels or a director’s notes scribbled on a napkin, because none of the “why” shows up in the movies and weirdly enough said movies can’t seem to deliver any feelings that epic events have proceeded them, unlike the OT

31 minutes ago, c5alinas said:

So has everybody got that out of there system.

Can we please countinue talking of the series.

Crud. Missed this too.

They’re saying it’s going to be set on Mandalore. So the possibility of a Game of Thrones style space opera series as the clans fight for control?

If they give us characters worth caring for, I’m down. And by characters I mean Tyrion Lannister in Mandalorian armor. All hail the half-man with a jet pack!

3 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I just don't buy it. Raw power for reasons and skills learned by osmosis makes her a Mary Sue in my book. I never said it makes less sense than farmboy Luke. I already said he was a Mary Sue too. The Mary Sue-ness of Rey isn't even a complaint for me. I'm fine with a Mary Sue character as long as they're in a good movie and used well. Other than the visuals there was nothing that I liked about TLJ.

Fair enough...I mean... meh... it doesn't make sense to me.. The Matrix had programs they could instantly load into peoples minds it didn't make trinity a Mary Sue. If you play shadowrun they have cyber gear where you can run a program to be instantly trained in a skill... Those players aren't Mary Sues, I just don't see how having a dude mash your brains together telepathically suddenly makes it less cool...

I dunno, I really liked a lot in TLJ, there were some themes they'd never really touched on before and I like how they did it.

I'm definitely interested to see this series, especially if it picks up after Jakku, there's a chance we can see Luke gathering Jedi artifacts and expanding his knowledge of the force... (There was a part of the TLJ book that explained that Snoke's biggest obstacle before destroying the New Republic was Luke, and that unlike the Jedi before him he wasn't creating a new order, he had no intentions to, but instead was traveling the galaxy to learn more about them. He began corrupting Ben through visions so that the Solo's would ask Luke for help. that was Snokes gambit to get Leia, Han, and Luke out of his way)....

It definitely has a lot of potential.

3 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

They’re saying it’s going to be set on Mandalore. So the possibility of a Game of Thrones style space opera series as the clans fight for control?

If they give us characters worth caring for, I’m down. And by characters I mean Tyrion Lannister in Mandalorian armor. All hail the half-man with a jet pack!

They might be able to sell me on a Mandalorian series. I'm leery of it imitating GoT style too much though. I've already had enough of Star Wars killing off the characters that I care about.

1 minute ago, Megatronrex said:

I've already had enough of Star Wars killing off the     c  haracters that I care about.   

A (somewhat) ironic sentiment given the routine complaints of rampant plot armour in SW series... ? ?

Just now, Drasnighta said:

A (somewhat) ironic sentiment given the routine complaints of rampant plot armour in SW series... ? ?

Hey that sounds........completely like something I have complained about.

3 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

My second hypothesis, and current theory, is that life experiences determine the positive or negative perception of the film. I've found that many people (I understand this is a wide generalization) that have suffered a severe loss, or those stuck in a perpetual state of loss -people with a more cynical perspective- tend to enjoy the film. While others who live fulfilled lives, those who make their own paths, don't take no for answer -people who are not deterred or unsatisfied with life- find the film distasteful.

This is a really interesting hypothesis, as it gets to the emotional underpinnings of what most politically fueled motivations are.

I'd like to see if this continues to hold true.

Do you mean actual loss, or simply a state of non-satisfaction?

Why do you think the "-people who are not deterred or unsatisfied with life- find the film distasteful"?

Great ideas @Darth Sanguis

7 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

They might be able to sell me on a Mandalorian series. I'm leery of it imitating GoT style too much though. I've already had enough of Star Wars killing off the characters that I care about.

5 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

A (somewhat) ironic sentiment given the routine complaints of rampant plot armour in SW series... ? ?

This and this are both really interesting. It just goes to show how people complain about the same thing being too much in both directions at the same time, viewing the same thing.

Though, I think the cavalier way they killed off characters like Ackbar wasn't all that great. There was honestly a lot of plot armor in the OT

3 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Fair enough...I mean... meh... it doesn't make sense to me.. The Matrix had programs they could instantly load into peoples minds it didn't make trinity a Mary Sue. If you play shadowrun they have cyber gear where you can run a program to be instantly trained in a skill... Those players aren't Mary Sues, I just don't see how having a dude mash your brains together telepathically suddenly makes it less cool...

I don't know shadowrun, but Matrix makes sense if you think of their 'reality' as a game so they are just patching in new features that the person's brain is directly controlling. Whereas Rey gets it in a fantasy series which is known for people having to train to earn their strengths. I mean if you can just go around doing that why not just have the Republic do that with their Jedi rather than having to spend years training them the skills and rather have them hone it over a shorter span that would allow the Republic to have far more Jedi going around keeping order.

3 hours ago, Flavorabledeez said:

Crud. Missed this too.

They’re saying it’s going to be set on Mandalore. So the possibility of a Game of Thrones style space opera series as the clans fight for control?

If they give us characters worth caring for, I’m down. And by characters I mean Tyrion Lannister in Mandalorian armor. All hail the half-man with a jet pack!

I would love a movie with lots of mandos, as long as they aren't peaceful.

38 minutes ago, Captain Ordo N-11 said:

I would love a movie with lots of mandos, as long as they aren't peaceful.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

I don't know shadowrun, but Matrix makes sense if you think of their 'reality' as a game so they are just patching in new features that the person's brain is directly controlling. Whereas Rey gets it in a fantasy series which is known for people having to train to earn their strengths. I mean if you can just go around doing that why not just have the Republic do that with their Jedi rather than having to spend years training them the skills and rather have them hone it over a shorter span that would allow the Republic to have far more Jedi going around keeping order.

Well to be perfectly honest, likely because they were Jedi.

Firstly, this isn’t something entirely new to the Star Wars franchise. They dabbled with similar concepts it the old republic lore quite a few times. As a matter of fact, one particular instance that comes to mind is the class quest for the Sith Inquistor in SWtOR. You spend about half the game hunting down force apparitions and either forcing them or convincing them to let you use their power by absorbing them. The inquisitor didn’t have to train to do ****. Darth Nox.

Beyond that you have to look at how the Jedi view their order and the use of powers involving mind manipulation. Ever wonder why the Jedi mind trick isn’t used more forcefully? Like Kylo? It’s hella darkside. In the Thrawn books even Luke toils over borderline techniques like that and whether using them is not only “just” but safe. As he nearly scrambled some dudes brain that way. Put all that aside to look at the Old Republic Jedi. Being a Hedi was a discipline, even at war time. If you didn’t have the inner strength to learn and the discipline to control a power, you didn’t get it. To be fair, they also probably didn’t know. If they thought poking around in someone’s mind was dangerous and evil, they probably never practiced enough to learn that.

But it let’s be fair and pretend like Sith holocrons don’t do similar things when teaching techniques too right? ;)

It sounds to me like youre looking for a reason not to like the story. Rebels is canon and they basically confirmed time travel by the end. How is gaining someone’s memories during a botched mind invasion the oddity here? Lol

On 8/8/2018 at 5:26 PM, Megatronrex said:

My feelings on the matter

I don't usually ever approve of gatekeeping but I think if you ACTUALLY believe this then you don't get to be a Star Wars fan anymore.

The Holiday Special is up there with the greatest crimes against humanity.

7 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Well to be perfectly honest, likely because they were Jedi.

Firstly, this isn’t something entirely new to the Star Wars franchise. They dabbled with similar concepts it the old republic lore quite a few times. As a matter of fact, one particular instance that comes to mind is the class quest for the Sith Inquistor in SWtOR. You spend about half the game hunting down force apparitions and either forcing them or convincing them to let you use their power by absorbing them. The inquisitor didn’t have to train to do ****. Darth Nox.

Beyond that you have to look at how the Jedi view their order and the use of powers involving mind manipulation. Ever wonder why the Jedi mind trick isn’t used more forcefully? Like Kylo? It’s hella darkside. In the Thrawn books even Luke toils over borderline techniques like that and whether using them is not only “just” but safe. As he nearly scrambled some dudes brain that way. Put all that aside to look at the Old Republic Jedi. Being a Hedi was a discipline, even at war time. If you didn’t have the inner strength to learn and the discipline to control a power, you didn’t get it. To be fair, they also probably didn’t know. If they thought poking around in someone’s mind was dangerous and evil, they probably never practiced enough to learn that.

But it let’s be fair and pretend like Sith holocrons don’t do similar things when teaching techniques too right?

It sounds to me like youre looking for a reason not to like the story. Rebels is canon and they basically confirmed time travel by the end. How is gaining someone’s memories during a botched mind invasion the oddity here? Lol

SWTOR is Legends and that just opens all sorts of weird doors like Starkiller and Skippy the Jedi Droid, but that doesn't make it super compelling. Its just a case of I don't find it a compelling explanation to go 'you can just download everything into a person's brain'. Would you find it all that impactful if Dumbledoore went and just did some spell that downloaded all his skills to Harry? And weren't Holocrons all more about imparting knowledge that people recorded, like reading some text that describes a skill and how to do it rather than just auto getting the knowledge?

And I don't like that Rebels opened up the can of worms that was time travel, or with how Thrawn was dealt with in the finale, or a fair bit of season 4 to be honest. As for the ST I don't want to not like it, I just don't find it compelling and that having a clearer vision for the trilogy would have been better

I’m not a fan of the new stuff -

That aside, I assumed Rey knew how to fight with her stick back on Jakku - doing the same stuff with a laser stick isn’t that much different?

As to the “rise of snoke” etc, it’s the same as we knew about Palpatine in the original triology - he was just an evil guy in a hood.

I think there are real problems with the new movies, but I don’t think it’s a lack of fluff.

A tv series might explain some of this stuff and make the movies feel like they are part of a broader context, making them better as well.

7 hours ago, Forresto said:

I don't usually ever approve of gatekeeping but I think if you ACTUALLY believe this then you don't get to be a Star Wars fan anymore.

The Holiday Special is up there with the greatest crimes against humanity.

If they make another Last Jedi it won't be the gatekeepers who decide I'm not a Star Wars fan anymore.

I agree, "The Holiday Special is up there with the greatest crimes against humanity". Saying it's a more egregious crime than TLJ is like saying Mao was a better guy than Stalin. It may be true, it may not, but it doesn't make either one of them good.

5 hours ago, LTD said:

A tv series might explain some of this stuff and make the movies feel like they are part of a broader context, making them better as well.

Hopefully it can make the chosen era more palatable in the same way The Clone Wars did for the prequel era. I think it's kinda sad though that they need a TV series to make the movies bearable.

9 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Would you find it all that impactful if Dumbledoore went and just did some spell that downloaded all his skills to Harry?

Yea. Honestly, if the game was keeping Harry alive, other than handing the poor kid a Glock -because wizards never think of muggle-*** **** like that- it would have been the best method. Maybe wait until he's 16 or so though. You wouldn't want a kid running around too powerful, right? lol

9 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

And weren't Holocrons all more about imparting knowledge that people recorded, like reading some text that describes a skill and how to do it rather than just auto getting the knowledge?

Depends on the holocron and which EU book/comic it was taken from. For the most part though you are correct. I was referencing some obscure stuff, so that's fair.

9 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

And I don't like that Rebels opened up the can of worms that was time travel, or with how Thrawn was dealt with in the finale, or a fair bit of season 4 to be honest. As for the ST I don't want to not like it, I just don't find it compelling and that having a clearer vision for the trilogy would have been better

That's.... fair enough I suppose.

On 8/8/2018 at 10:23 AM, Darth Sanguis said:

This always cracks me up.

Episode VII:
"They didn't tell us anything about what happened over the last 30 years"

Mini Series set after RotJ and before TFA:
"Meh not really interested..."

Or this classic

Episode VII:

"It's just a clone of A New Hope, it's too derivative."

Episode VIII:
"It's not enough like Star Wars! Childhood ruined!"

lol




Anyways, I'll be excited to see it.

AMEN. The problem is star wars fans will never all be happy.

47 minutes ago, Rune Taq said:

AMEN. The problem is star wars fans will never all be happy.

I think there’s a way to do that.

Make a live action show that follows around different squadrons during the OT era. Each season is its own arc and it switches off between Rebels and Empire (maybe even some pirates) following a new fighter/bomber wing. Think Top Gun in space with characters you care about along with character development. By the end you know these pilots, the craft they fly, the ship that’s their home base, the planets they’re interested in, etc.

This could be good enough to get everyone onboard again.

31 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

I think there’s a way to do that.

Make a live action show that follows around different squadrons during the OT era. Each season is its own arc and it switches off between Rebels and Empire (maybe even some pirates) following a new fighter/bomber wing. Think Top Gun in space with characters you care about along with character development. By the end you know these pilots, the craft they fly, the ship that’s their home base, the planets they’re interested in, etc.

This could be good enough to get everyone onboard again.

10/10 would watch

1 hour ago, Rune Taq said:

AMEN. The problem is star wars fans will never all be happy.

28 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

I think there’s a way to do that.

@Flavorabledeez I think your idea for a show sounds great. Someone else won't and will get hurt about it. Then someone else will get hurt by the other persons hurt and so on and so forth. We're all nerds, we're all passionate in different ways about different things that most people don't care about. We're gonna fight and argue and share our hurt with each other. Then when it's all over we'll get together and gang up on the non-nerd that's dumb enough to tell us that everything Star Wars sucks. It's kinda like family, a very, very dysfunctional family. But a big ole family full of nerds nonetheless.

14 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

@Flavorabledeez I think your idea for a show sounds great. Someone else won't and will get hurt about it. Then someone else will get hurt by the other persons hurt and so on and so forth. We're all nerds, we're all passionate in different ways about different things that most people don't care about. We're gonna fight and argue and share our hurt with each other. Then when it's all over we'll get together and gang up on the non-nerd that's dumb enough to tell us that everything Star Wars sucks. It's kinda like family, a very, very dysfunctional family. But a big ole family full of nerds nonetheless.

What?!!? How dare you...

(yeah, I think the vast majority would be good with my proposal, but there would still be people who hate it just because people like it)

I hate family