Hello and sorry for my bad English.

“”Let's see if I understand it... ””

I have 74 ships between the three factions.

To continue playing with these ships; Do I have to buy the update for each faction, which I think are now 5 plus the new Core?

5 Kits of conversion x 49.95 euros + Core 39.95 euros = 289.7 Euros

Do I have to spend almost 300 euros for a game that I have already paid and above all the ships do not come?

Yes, I know nobody is pointing a gun at me that forces me to buy it.

Thanks for your attention.

If you want to instantly play all your old stuff, then yes, it will cost you. FFG could have made it so second edition used all brand new ships.

Second thing to note, the Resistance and First Order expansions are smaller and thus slightly cheaper.

It is a design idea that you don't have to have all the factions to play. If you, like me, only want to fly Imperials, then you can do so (or any other faction you so desire).

Finally, why do you have to convert everything right away? Why not buy your favoured faction and then slowly save up for the other conversion kits?

6 hours ago, VISSIO said:

Hello and sorry for my bad English.

“”Let's see if I understand it... ””

I have 74 ships between the three factions.

To continue playing with these ships; Do I have to buy the update for each faction, which I think are now 5 plus the new Core?

5 Kits of conversion x 49.95 euros + Core 39.95 euros = 289.7 Euros

Do I have to spend almost 300 euros for a game that I have already paid and above all the ships do not come?

Yes, I know nobody is pointing a gun at me that forces me to buy it.

Thanks for your attention.

In short, Yes. Myself and many others are in the same boat as you. With the number of ships I have vs what comes in the conversion kits, I have to buy more than just one of each if I want to use, say 5 A-Wings or 4 B-Wings or 8 Ties.

Not real happy about the situation but it could have been worse.

Another thing to consider, is since they have released the point values in pdfs, you can go through and find how many of each ship you can fly in a list (this of course excludes epic play as it is currently not supported)

So, if you have a silly number of defenders, know that you can really only fly two in a list. This lets you know how many of each dial/ship card you really need, and thus allows you to search out extras needed in the secondary (used/trade) market.

It was the least bad way to go about the migration to 2.0, so I think it works.

You are correct it’s costly for those with a large collection, but you don’t have to convert it all at the same time.

Me? I dumped my resistance ships outright. I’m looking at only 4 factions now, and I traded off models I couldn’t bring forward in a single kit per faction, making my costs lower.

Lastly, I preordered from one of those sites offering a steep discount over msrp (more like $40 US not $50 US) and that will help shrink the pain points.

For buying new stuff? Just gotta see what comes. Probably won’t buy everything like I used to

7 hours ago, VISSIO said:

Hello and sorry for my bad English.

“”Let's see if I understand it... ””

I have 74 ships between the three factions.

To continue playing with these ships; Do I have to buy the update for each faction, which I think are now 5 plus the new Core?

5 Kits of conversion x 49.95 euros + Core 39.95 euros = 289.7 Euros

Do I have to spend almost 300 euros for a game that I have already paid and above all the ships do not come?

Yes, I know nobody is pointing a gun at me that forces me to buy it.

Thanks for your attention.

No, you only have to pay 40 for the core and 50 for the factions you want to play except FO and Resistance that are only 30.

If the question is, "will it be expensive to play every faction?" Then, yes, it totally will be.

If the question is "will it be expensive to play the game in general?" The answer is demonstrably no. I was working out the points to cold buy an average Imperial aces list and it was around $250 depending on specifics of upgrades and it's a 3 ship list where the ships themselves are about $60.

I only own 1 rebel conversion set. I might buy a second eventually, but no real rush for me on that. If you exclude me buying the new X and Y because I like the sculpts better, this transition is costing me about 90, maybe 140 just to round things out. As someone who has been through a lot of edition changes where players have been legendarily boned, I'm pretty okay with that.

7 hours ago, VISSIO said:

Do I have to spend almost 300 euros for a game that I have already paid and above all the ships do not come?

No, you don't. You are still welcome to play with the game you paid : X-wing v1.

Now, FFG is offering you an alternative to buy conversion material to use your material for a new game : X-wing v2. Seems fair to me.

7 hours ago, VISSIO said:

Do I have to spend almost 300 euros for a game that I have already paid and above all the ships do not come?

This is the tricky part of the mentality.

I think looking at 2nd edition as 'the same game you have already paid for' is wrong. I know that FFG have tried to lean into the idea that 1e players can 'convert' into 2e, and that it's easy to interpret that as them saying that 2e is a continuation of the old game.

But it's not. It took me a while to get used to that idea, and I was totally on board with 2e from the get go.

2e is a whole new game. Some of it looks very similar, the dice or the same, the movement is the same and some of the pilots have the same name and same abilities.

But 2e is a new game. One that just happens to have a slightly cheaper buy in if you already happen to own a ton of the models the game still uses. No matter how many conversion kits you need to buy, it will always be cheaper than having to rebuy all the same individual expansions all over again.

I'd think very carefully about exactly what you need to convert. Bear in mind that there will a secondary market for cards from the kits and there will be people ready and willing to trade around. Everyone is going to end up short on some ships and overstocked on others. While that may not be so helpful on the ships everyone has a lot of (TIE Fighters, X-Wings) I think it's very rare for any two X-Wing players to have exactly the same collection. Thanks to the aces kits, I have two of most of the Rebel small base ships. But I only have one Z-95, so I'm going to be overstocked on those cards when I get my conversion kit. Someone at my local game store will have tried the 8 Z-95 swarm at some time, and so be underserved by the kit. I'd more than happily give him my spare cardboard in exchange for an extra B-Wing (of which I have three, so a single kit isn't enough for me).

From what we've seen so far, this is especially true of the Sequel Trilogy factions. They have far fewer ships than the other factors, so they're already cheaper conversion kits than the rest. But because there are so few ships, each ship also gets way more cards and dials than in the other kits. For people like me who only own a handful of T-70s and /FOs, one conversion kit is waaaaay more content than we need. If I decide I actually want to play my Resistance ships (which at the moment, I'm really not fussed about) there's no way I'll be doing it via conversion kit. Trades and ebay is for more economical.

Don't look at it as an upfront 300 euro investment. Pick a faction you prefer, buy their kit. Trade out your extras for things you're short on, buy whatever else you need on ebay and see where you're at. Play a few games, then rinse and repeat for your next favourite faction and so on.

Except its not the same game you already paid for.

New editions to a game are treated as a whole new game with "cheaper entry" for older players than newer players. Yes it will be around 250-300 to get everything upfront, its still WAY more than that to buy all the ships in the first place for new players.

Plus, they are throwing the "gotta buy everything" out the window finally. You are technically playing 5 "armies" if you play everything. Dont expect things to be cheap if you play that many factions.

Most people are only playing 1-2 now.

8 hours ago, VISSIO said:

“”Let's see if I understand it... ””

Yep, you do.

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Finally, why do you have to convert everything right away?

Not that that makes it cheaper. It only delays the expenditure.

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

So, if you have a silly number of defenders, know that you can really only fly two in a list.

Unless he plays Epic. I wish people would stop assuming there is only one format to this game.

1 hour ago, Giledhil said:

No, you don't. You are still welcome to play with the game you paid : X-wing v1.

Now, FFG is offering you an alternative to buy conversion material to use your material for a new game : X-wing v2. Seems fair to me.

I've finally decided this is how I'm going to do it.

Imperials, Rebels and Scum: 1.0 forever.

FO and Resistance: 1.0 as before with Empire/Rebels but buy the 2.0 conversion kits to do as stand alone factions.

Republic, CiS and any new Scum: 2.0 forever (obviously).

24 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Most people are only playing 1-2 now.

Real Star Wars fans play it all!!!!

55 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Unless he plays Epic. I wish people would stop assuming there is only one format to this game.

Oh? Did they announce 2e Epic? It likely will exist in the future, but it's not a 2e format currently.

Of course, we don't know what fan-made formats people may play, but it's reasonable to assume that people are talking about standard formats unless otherwise stated.

11 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Oh? Did they announce 2e Epic? It likely will exist in the future, but it's not a 2e format currently.

Of course, we don't know what fan-made formats people may play, but it's reasonable to assume that people are talking about standard formats unless otherwise stated.

If he "has a silly number of Defenders" then it is likely he explores something outside of standard.

And unless FFG announces that Epic is dead, it doesn't matter that it is not announced yet. If I played Epic, I will want to play Epic, and the conversion issue exists just now.

If they wait 2-3 years to announce Epic, will they still be producing conversion kits for my ships?? If you can't answer that question in the 100% affirmative, I have to plan my Epic conversion strategy now, or miss the chance to convert.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

Unless he plays Epic. I wish people would stop assuming there is only one format to this game.

That Blasted Samophlange talked about Epic literally the sentence right before your quote of him/her:

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(this of course excludes epic play as it is currently not supported)

I'd say that That Blasted Samophlange was not assuming that there is only one format to this game and was even making allowances explicitly for alternate formats. But then perhaps That Blasted Samophlange wasn't the one making assumptions. ☺️

5 minutes ago, Nspace said:

That Blasted Samophlange talked about Epic literally the sentence right before your quote of him/her:

I'd say that That Blasted Samophlange was not assuming that there is only one format to this game and was even making allowances explicitly for alternate formats. But then perhaps That Blasted Samophlange wasn't the one making assumptions. ☺️

Fair enough. Apologies to @That Blasted Samophlange .

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

Fair enough. Apologies to @That Blasted Samophlange .

Apology Accepted, @Darth Meanie

Thank you all for your answers.

I point out: Xwing 2.0 is not another game, but a retouched extension of the first one. Another game would be STAR Warriors of the WESTENDGAMES.

GAMES WORKSHOP with Warhammer 40000 changed the scores of the lists to include more miniatures and sell more.
(I went from WK40000 to XWING)

 But at least tube the decency to load Warhammer Fantasy and get a new one called something like SIGMAR

I do not know, but I think ... goodbye xwing, hello Playstation4

1 minute ago, VISSIO said:

Xwing 2.0 is not another game, but a retouched extension of the first one.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I consider the two similar--but separate--games, just as I do with D&D3.5 and D&D5.

In my case, I collect the models of the game for a couple reasons. 1) to play X-Wing 2) for use in my rpg campaign 3) to collect them 4) forward thinking for when the kids get old enough to play tabletop games we will already have a full game, even when FFG stops supporting it. To each his own though.

At the moment I have looked for a small solution. See CONVERSION 2.0 to 1.0 in this forum