An old grump watches the clone wars

By HolySorcerer, in X-Wing

49 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:


Say what we will about Plot Armor in Star Wars generally, but no one has ever been saved from clear and certain death by time travel and teleportation portals before...

To be honest, season 4 of Rebels was pretty much mostly eh to crap. Especially the Mandalore stuff and Ahsoka being Deus Ex'd out of being dead.

47 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

How DID Maul get off Naboo and 10 years later?

He hit a lot of fans on the way down that allowed him to later crawl away and survive on pure anger and hate. It must have been one heck of a day for the guy watching over the hangar when this bleeding, cut in half, devil looking, stump of a man crawls in and hops into a fighter and takes off.

Superior: "So...you are saying that the devil himself, cut in half crawled in here and stole one of our ships?"

Security Guard: "...Yes."

Superior: "Yea, you're fired."

48 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

To be honest, season 4 of Rebels was pretty much mostly eh to crap. Especially the Mandalore stuff and Ahsoka being Deus Ex'd out of being dead.

He hit a lot of fans on the way down that allowed him to later crawl away and survive on pure anger and hate. It must have been one heck of a day for the guy watching over the hangar when this bleeding, cut in half, devil looking, stump of a man crawls in and hops into a fighter and takes off.

Superior: "So...you are saying that the devil himself, cut in half crawled in here and stole one of our ships?"

Security Guard: "...Yes."

Superior: "Yea, you're fired."

I picture it without the guard, witnessed only by some old drunk who rubs his eyes, pours out his bottle, and swears off booze ever again.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

To be honest, season 4 of Rebels was pretty much mostly eh to crap. Especially the Mandalore stuff and Ahsoka being Deus Ex'd out of being dead.

He hit a lot of fans on the way down that allowed him to later crawl away and survive on pure anger and hate. It must have been one heck of a day for the guy watching over the hangar when this bleeding, cut in half, devil looking, stump of a man crawls in and hops into a fighter and takes off.

Superior: "So...you are saying that the devil himself, cut in half crawled in here and stole one of our ships?"

Security Guard: "...Yes."

Superior: "Yea, you're fired."

He didn't steal a fighter, though. He manages to get into a trash container and then gets dumped on an entirely different planet. Then Mother Talzin gives Savage Opress (Is this THE worst Star Wars name ever?) a medallion to help him find him. This entire story is nuts.

12 minutes ago, Ixidor said:

He didn't steal a fighter, though. He manages to get into a trash container and then gets dumped on an entirely different planet. Then Mother Talzin gives Savage Opress (Is this THE worst Star Wars name ever?) a medallion to help him find him. This entire story is nuts.

I mean, come on, if he wasn't named Savage Opress how would we know the yellow and black roided out satan looking guy was evil?

2 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural."

I'm assuming he survived the same way that Darth Sion is shown to survive his deaths in KOTOR2: through pure hatred.

This is how I survive some of my children's YouTube preferences.

I think any episode with Cad Bane is worth watching.

The Umbara arc is rather spectacular in my opinion.

I generally enjoyed any episodes with Ventress.

I really like the first episodes with Satine of Mandalore and Obi-wan and those episodes suggest their time on the run with Qui-gon could be fertile ground for some stories. I rather like the Duchess when it comes down to it.

I like that Anakin is like a mean dog just about to slip his chain. The show as a whole really shows that Anakin didn't need much of a push into the dark.

Animewarsdude's breakdown doesn't leave much to argue with really. I'm not in lockstep with it as I think I'm a little more favorable to the Mandalore stuff.

I think Rookies, Cloak of Darkness and the Ryloth episodes are the high points of the first season.

I think that "Missing in Action" from the fifth season droids arc everyone bags on is pretty good.

2 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

To be honest, season 4 of Rebels was pretty much mostly eh to crap. Especially the Mandalore stuff and Ahsoka being Deus Ex'd out of being dead.

Ahsoka was shown walking away in the epilogue of Twilight of The Apprentice. We already knew she was still alive. I can't argue that it isn't a bit deus ex machina but they didn't retcon her surviving.

17 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

Well I hate Asoka in rebels and was disappointed that Vader didn't kill her when he had the chance, so that's not looking good for me on this front.

Yeah... you should just.... not. If you can't stand mature Asohka, then juvenile Asohka will just give you flashbacks of Jake Lloyd. These aren't for you.

2 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Ahsoka was shown walking away in the epilogue of Twilight of The Apprentice. We already knew she was still alive. I can't argue that it isn't a bit deus ex machina but they didn't retcon her surviving.

Fair, I just didn't like them bringing in time travel like that. Not did I care for the weightless/tensionless Mandalore double episodes, and the finale.

Rebel leaders coming up with a plan, Aquaman = Ezra.

11 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I like that Anakin is like a mean dog just about to slip his chain. The show as a whole really shows that Anakin didn't need much of a push into the dark.

They showed his darker side, and at the same time I felt showed him as a much greater character than in the movies. With CW Anakin, I actually did feel a sort of tragedy with his impending fall, as he became a character I actually cared about.

I think the issue with the Rebels finale was they'd run out of time and they sort of HAD to tie the whole thing off that neatly. A bit of the trouble with prequels. Overall though I tend to think both of the animated shows have been better Star Wars than what's ended up on the big screen. I'd have a bit higher opinion of Rogue One if it weren't for the horrible shaky-cam sensibility of the whole thing.

4 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

They showed his darker side, and at the same time I felt showed him as a much greater character than in the movies. With CW Anakin, I actually did feel a sort of tragedy with his impending fall, as he became a character I actually cared about.

I agree with that. I think they did a good job of frequently getting you thinking he was just going to go full Vader right now.

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in in my opinion, no viewing to Clone Wars is complete without reading the Snark Wars reviews as well.. though not every episode is covered yet, enough are that you can get a lot of perspective from her reactions to various elements, and she likes to call out how sometimes minor things tie into the larger themes of star wars.

parts of rebels is also covered, and she is working her way through the main films and a select number of comics (both legends and canon) as well. might not want to read the reviews of anything you haven't watched yourself yet though.

and i will say this.. while the Mortis Arc may not be popular, and was not the best plotline ever thought up, it is worth watching with some serious attention, because during the somewhat odd story, you get a lot of Deep Lore about the force and balance and so on. as far as understanding the Force goes, it and Yoda's arc at the end of season 6 are two of the more important arcs.. if you pay attention to the lore being expounded, at least. i know a lot of people dislikd them because of their iffy plot, and thus didn't catch all the Deep Lore being dropped.

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1 hour ago, Ixidor said:

Savage Opress (Is this THE worst Star Wars name ever?)

Elan Sleazebaggano

Jedi Master Bayts

So, no. No it isn’t.

Don't forget to watch the movie which is the beginning. I made that mistake and watched S1E1 and was a little confused till I figured out to watch the movie. Careful though, there are two, pick the more recent one.

39 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Jedi Master Bayts

Lol, seriously?

1 minute ago, LordFajubi said:

Lol, seriously?

Yup. It was apparently meant to be a joke on the comics editor. The writer put the name in to raz the editor, but then the editor ended up not working the relevant day and the sub missed it so it made it to print. I’m pretty sure the character has since shown up in the background in a couple other places.

Nothing Disney though.

10 minutes ago, DXCrazytrain said:

Don't forget to watch the movie which is the beginning. I made that mistake and watched S1E1 and was a little confused till I figured out to watch the movie. Careful though, there are two, pick the more recent one.

There are 2 features for TCW? What’s the difference?

53 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

There are 2 features for TCW? What’s the difference?

Pretty sure the first Tcw movie is the 2003 half hour special (this was back when a clone wars episode was a 5 minute short), and it’s basically anakin vs ventress on Yavin 4.

So he’s just talking about the “Star Wars: Clone Wars” shorts, and there is just the one “The Clone Wars” film?

Clone Wars and The Clone Wars are rather different, the first being done by the guy who made a number of animated works like Dexter's Lab and Samurai Jack and were originally 5 minute little episodes, while The Clone Wars is the CG animated show which is canon. The 2D show didn't have any real time to characterize so it pretty much just told its story through action, lots and lots of action and I believe no Jar Jar at all.

Though, some shoutout to some of the 2D Clone Wars with its intro to Grievous and the whole ARC trooper stuff. Man I wish canon Grievous was this cool.

Needless to say if Legion gets Phase 1 armor ARC troopers I'll be painting one up to look like Captain Fordo (Clone in Red).

10 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

Lol, seriously?

Don't forget the cameo appearance during the early part of the CIS' invasion of Ryloth of Jedi Master 'Ima Gun Di'.

Guess what happens to him. Go on.

7 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Clone Wars and The Clone Wars are rather different, the first being done by the guy who made a number of animated works like Dexter's Lab and Samurai Jack and were originally 5 minute little episodes, while The Clone Wars is the CG animated show which is canon

It was a good show. Some of it verged on cartoon ridiculous but it felt right on the show. And more importantly, yes, the whole no-words-spoken ARC Trooper sequence was just awesome.

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Some of it verged on cartoon ridiculous but it felt right on the show.

Well the Mace Windu vs. Earthquake Machine was more than ridiculous, the other stuff was mostly allright in the action filled setting.

49 minutes ago, Vode said:

Well the Mace Windu vs. Earthquake Machine was more than ridiculous, the other stuff was mostly allright in the action filled setting.

That was the bit I was thinking of, to be fair.

On 8/8/2018 at 3:11 AM, HolySorcerer said:

(The movies are objectively terrible, if you disagree then you are wrong).

Lol.

On 8/8/2018 at 3:52 AM, HolySorcerer said:

The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem. We're all proud of you. :)

Ignorance and Arrogance. What a lovely combination. Come back when you understood the subjectivity of reality.

6 hours ago, Vode said:

Well the Mace Windu vs. Earthquake Machine was more than ridiculous, the other stuff was mostly allright in the action filled setting.

What do you mean, that was the most realistic bit to ever feature Mace Windu. :P