15 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

This is not an argument for needing a sensor slot. The point is not to have the K-wing where it was, but below, because it was cancer.

The ship was not the problem with the K-Wing if it was the ship that was overpowered CANCER we would have seen more than one K-Wing used in top meta in the last year of 1.0.

The issue was the interaction of Miranda's pilot ability and the TLT turret. Her ability to regen plus getting consistent 1 damage with TLT every round was the cancerous part. If the ship was to blame we would have seen double K-wings everywhere last year.

In 2.0 we do not have a TLT turret or anything similar. I would hope FFG would know better than to power creep that back up. Miranda's ability has been nerfed to allow her to regen a shield only if she has no shields which seems to have balanced her in a fair way. I would wait until we see K-wings other than Miranda hitting the table in any numbers in 2.0 before I would say the ship is balanced at a good power level. I think it needs a better dial to be a ordnance carrier, or as others have said I would love to see it with a system slot. I have not seen enough to prove to me that Sabine is worth the same a trajectory simulator which is what folks are saying when you say that Rebels do not need a Trajectory Simulator ship because they have Sabine.

Compared to the Scuurg the K-Wing is doing ok but I am not convinced it hasn't been beaten down to no longer being useful. Nerf to the Scuurg is just depressing.

13 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

What rebel list is on par with a Howl/Iden swarm?

No. The defender is not overpriced. Fly it.

Rebels dont seem to have a Howlrunner/Drea Renthal equivilant, but that doesnt mean nothing can go toe to toe with the howlswarm and emerge victorius. C3Leebo with Stealth device is a beast, especially with a support ship like AP5, Verlane, or Kyle/Jyn Erso.

big thing you really want against swarms (other than trajectory simulator...damnit ffg) is persistent modifiers

So moldy crow with perceptive copilot gets four focus a round. Pretty swanky v swarms

Leebo also sounds like a good idea, though I think he costs too much

Biggs also helps SO **** MUCH. Reinforce gives you like two rounds v swarm, so Biggs might buy you a crucial third

also, eh to the SCURRG. Also not happy at how weak it seems, but it did need to be distinguished from the Kim and it's the only source of Trajectory Simulator in scum. Sol's ability, at least, is REALLY great!

14 minutes ago, heckathornjeff said:

I have not seen enough to prove to me that Sabine is worth the same a trajectory simulator which is what folks are saying when you say that Rebels do not need a Trajectory Simulator ship because they have Sabine.

No, I'm saying that allowing Sabine to fling bombs across the map would not be good design. Sabine makes bombs extra potent, she shouldn't be allowed to combo with TS on a K-wing.

Sure she should, just jack up the price instead of simply never seeing her hit the table because Ks suck

44 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

also, eh to the SCURRG. Also not happy at how weak it seems, but it did need to be distinguished from the Kim and it's the only source of Trajectory Simulator in scum. Sol's ability, at least, is REALLY great!

IGs can launch bombs, too, though they have other things they’d like to use the sensor slot for.

9 minutes ago, kerbarian said:

IGs can launch bombs, too, though they have other things they’d like to use the sensor slot for.

Definitely not their intended role

And at 70 points naked, they're definitely behind the SCURRG in that capacity

Reasonably speaking, the havoc's the only simulator unless swarms get THAT out of control

21 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Definitely not their intended role

And at 70 points naked, they're definitely behind the SCURRG in that capacity

Reasonably speaking, the havoc's the only simulator unless swarms get THAT out of control

I dunno. Brobots with TS Proton bombs might make swarm players think twice about jousting them, which could be worth more than a focus token on the sloop or a single die reroll.