So,

I guess we can call it the "3po Precedent" (you have to at least guess "1" - no longer 0), but read on page 11 of the Rules Reference under "Focus:"

"A ship cannot spend a focus token to change (focus) results to (evade) or (hit)
results if it does not have any (focus) results."

So this means Garvin in 2.0 has to have rolled focus results to pass on the focus. No more spending a focus for "zero focus results."

It also makes me bet Ten Numb will get FAQed to say that he must have rolled focus results to spend his stress.

NOOOOOOOOO

I want Ten to spend...

ah balls

there goes any chance of Garven being viable, especially in his ARC incarnation

I know . . . I mean it's a good ability, but it locks Garven into the focus action, etc.

Benthic I guess??

Benthic all the way

or even Kyle

Torani Kulda is happy now. His ability works as it should. Removing 0 tokens to negate his ability felt wrong before.

*psst* Torani is femlae.

3 hours ago, Dengar5 said:

Torani Kulda is happy now. His ability works as it should. Removing 0 tokens to negate his ability felt wrong before.

Torani was rewritten to remove the option of spending 0 anyway.

16 hours ago, HanScottFirst said:

It also makes me bet Ten Numb will get FAQed to say that he must have rolled focus results to spend his stress.

Might not even need a FAQ:

page 2: "Paying Costs

A ship can pay a cost for an effect only if the effect can be resolved"

22 hours ago, HanScottFirst said:

So,

I guess we can call it the "3po Precedent" (you have to at least guess "1" - no longer 0), but read on page 11 of the Rules Reference under "Focus:"

"A ship cannot spend a focus token to change (focus) results to (evade) or (hit)
results if it does not have any (focus) results."

So this means Garvin in 2.0 has to have rolled focus results to pass on the focus. No more spending a focus for "zero focus results."

It also makes me bet Ten Numb will get FAQed to say that he must have rolled focus results to spend his stress.

About time. I always hated how that idiotic mechanic worked in 1.e

I liked the edge cases it created being able to spend to change all your 0 eye results for a different effect.

I do fear that this will hurt Ten Numb, being unable to spend the stress to change 0 results made him so much stronger.

I would argue the effect can be resolved by converting all of your 0 eye balls to hits/evades

10 minutes ago, Roundy1161 said:

I liked the edge cases it created being able to spend to change all your 0 eye results for a different effect.

I do fear that this will hurt Ten Numb, being unable to spend the stress to change 0 results made him so much stronger.

I would argue the effect can be resolved by converting all of your 0 eye balls to hits/evades

Oh I hope so, this is so disappointing

As with Torani Kulda, the C-3PO precedent stuff just muddies the waters. They're both rewritten in text to exclude zero, so I don't think we can conclude anything from them.

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Focus rules make sense though, and I think I'd agree with the OP on the interpretation. I kind of like that a lot of these edge-case tricks are being eliminated, even if that removes power from some ship builds. Is Garven hurt by this? A little, but I think he's still pretty fairly priced. Garven-ARC is 1 point more expensive than Ibtisam and gains an initiative, and two points cheaper than Shara Bey at the same Init. Running him instead seems entirely viable. He's 47 in an X-Wing, 4 points more than the Init 3 generic, and squarely in the middle of Biggs, Kullbee, Jek, and Leevan. He's still potential zero-stress action economy, without costing notably more than other equivalent ships, in a low action economy edition.

Ten Nunb is hurt more, but Keyan spending stress without converting results was kind of silly. Given the fact that Ten Nunb the equivalent of 25 points compared to Keyan's original 29, I'm fine with that.

1 hour ago, FriendofYoda said:

Oh I hope so, this is so disappointing

amen

it's not quite as bad as the R3 astromech in 1.0, because at least it's not entirely initiative dependent, but it's really cutting it close.

abilities relying on specific results being rolled are just bad ideas in general (...********** Ibs why didn't you take your ability with you into your ARC?)

On 8/3/2018 at 11:39 PM, ficklegreendice said:

ah balls

there goes any chance of Garven being viable, especially in his ARC incarnation

Luckily Rebel ARCs don’t matter any more!

On 8/4/2018 at 10:26 AM, skotothalamos said:

Might not even need a FAQ:

page 2: "Paying Costs

A ship can pay a cost for an effect only if the effect can be resolved"

This is still not clear enough. The effect is being resolved, it's just not changing the game at all.

2.0 Garven needs focus results to spend the token, but he also works at range 1-3 instead of range 1-2, at a price that's roughly 2.5 points cheaper than his 1.0 incarnation. He also picks up a talent slot. In a world where action economy is severely limited, he's still substantially better than he was before.

2.0 Ten Numb also needs focus results to trigger now, but he gained the ability to spend stress on defense as well as offense. He's going to pair very well with the Elusive EPT to be a royal pain to deal with.

Meh, the utterly unnecessary inclusion of additional rng really kills them for me

Though at least Garven doesn't need his ability to be a relatively affordable Xwing, and you can add him to some squads without depending on his ability

Cracken (homing)

Dutch (ICT, proton, r4)

Garven Xwing (crackshot)

Biggs (r5)

It really is a shame because Ten really was the only usable B-Wing pilot thanks to his ability. It was still restrictive because you had to at least have something in arc or get shot at in order to dump the stress. Now I guess no B-Wings will be flown; especially with them literally costing 14 points more than the generic Tie Bomber and 10 points more than the Y-Wing.

4 hours ago, Jamie Toon STLAA said:

This is still not clear enough. The effect is being resolved, it's just not changing the game at all.

If an effect does not do anything, it's not resolving.

There are plenty of examples in the 2.0 rules that agree with my interpretation (Calculate, Focus, Lock, the Gonk example right under the text I quoted). Please cite at least one example that supports your interpretation.

Those all have a specific target ("an eyeball result"). The target in Ten Numb's case is "all eyeball results". Is there another effect in the game at this point that targets "all" of something?
(I guess Saw crew, so that would need a ruling also.)

2 hours ago, Jamie Toon STLAA said:

Those all have a specific target ("an eyeball result"). The target in Ten Numb's case is "all eyeball results". Is there another effect in the game at this point that targets "all" of something?
(I guess Saw crew, so that would need a ruling also.)

Like:

"While a focused ship performs an attack, during the Modify Attack Dice step, it may spend a focus token to change all of its [eyeball] results to [hit] results."

"While a focused ship defends, during the Modify Defense Dice step, it may spend a focus token to change all of its [eyeball] results to [evade]results."

Ah, yeah. You're right. I blame lack of sleep
I would like to see an official ruling still, but I'm pretty sure that will be the result.
I was excited that B-Wings would be playable in 2.0, but I guess not.

On 8/3/2018 at 5:34 PM, HanScottFirst said:

So,

I guess we can call it the "3po Precedent" (you have to at least guess "1" - no longer 0), but read on page 11 of the Rules Reference under "Focus:"

"A ship cannot spend a focus token to change (focus) results to (evade) or (hit)
results if it does not have any (focus) results."

So this means Garvin in 2.0 has to have rolled focus results to pass on the focus. No more spending a focus for "zero focus results."

It also makes me bet Ten Numb will get FAQed to say that he must have rolled focus results to spend his stress.

I’m happy with this. It is as it should be.

C3P0 though is wrong! Zero is an actual result you can roll therefore should be allowed.

1 hour ago, drail14me said:

I’m happy with this. It is as it should be.

C3P0 though is wrong! Zero is an actual result you can roll therefore should be allowed.

In 1e yes. In 2e 3po specifically says you have to guess at least 1.