22 hours ago, Sithborg said:

The question is, how many different Anakins we will get?

So many fighters to get him in. His custom Jedi Fighter, Jedi Interceptor, Y-wing, Twilight, even an N-1. I'm sure there are a few other fighters he can pop up in.

Anakin is the new Sabine :))

On 8/4/2018 at 12:09 PM, eMeM said:

But this is all besides the point, for this game it doesn't matter if Anakin was angry, all that matters is if at the time he was fighting on Republic's side, and here he definitely was, and even later marching on the Jedi temple he is still technically on Republic's side, up until Palpatine declares the Republic to be reaorganized into the first. Galactic. Empire!

This was kind of my point and people went all fan boi nuh uh! on me. There could be a republic darth vader. He’d be stupid force powerful because as @mazz0 insists the darkside isn’t stronger but faster. Which in the time frame equates to stronger but whatever.

1 hour ago, LordBlades said:

Anakin is the new Sabine :))

I don't think it will end up this way. Sabine (but more accurately Ezra) pilots so many ships because there is a very limited pool of characters for each of them.

Anakin's ships on the other hand, with the exception of the Twilight, have heaps of named on-screen pilots to choose from. I expect him to show up in Eta-2, which is his most iconic fighter, and the Twilight for obvious reasons.

This is how I imagine the Republic layout:

Delta-7 Aetherspire
•Saesee Tiin I6 F3, •Plo Koon I5 F3, •Adi Gallia I5 F3, •Obi-Wan Kenobi (Jedi Knight) I3 F2, •Barriss Offee I2 F1, Jedi Knight I3 F2

Eta-2 Actis

•Anakin Skywalker I6 F3, •Mace Windu I5 F3, •Aayla Secura I3 F2, •Ahsoka Tano I3 F1, Jedi Ace I5 F2, Jedi Padawan I2 F1

Naboo N-1

•Ric Olié I5, •Rhys Dallows I4, •Porro Dolphe I3, •Padmé Amidala I2, Bravo Flight Pilot I3, Naboo Volunteer I1

Y-wing and the like have multiple named clones, but I don't have my notes and don't remember them all by heart

1 hour ago, eMeM said:

I don't think it will end up this way. Sabine (but more accurately Ezra) pilots so many ships because there is a very limited pool of characters for each of them.

Anakin's ships on the other hand, with the exception of the Twilight, have heaps of named on-screen pilots to choose from. I expect him to show up in Eta-2, which is his most iconic fighter, and the Twilight for obvious reasons.

This is how I imagine the Republic layout:

Delta-7 Aetherspire
•Saesee Tiin I6 F3, •Plo Koon I5 F3, •Adi Gallia I5 F3, •Obi-Wan Kenobi (Jedi Knight) I3 F2, •Barriss Offee I2 F1, Jedi Knight I3 F2

Eta-2 Actis

•Anakin Skywalker I6 F3, •Mace Windu I5 F3, •Aayla Secura I3 F2, •Ahsoka Tano I3 F1, Jedi Ace I5 F2, Jedi Padawan I2 F1

Naboo N-1

•Ric Olié I5, •Rhys Dallows I4, •Porro Dolphe I3, •Padmé Amidala I2, Bravo Flight Pilot I3, Naboo Volunteer I1

Y-wing and the like have multiple named clones, but I don't have my notes and don't remember them all by heart

Woah! No way! Meesa want Obi-Wan and Anakin in everything. You’d certainly need to be able to pair them up in Actis at the very least, and an N1 without Baby Anakin would be absurd!

Despite the extraordinary Meme Rating I would rather avoid baby Anakin, but who knows what FFG will do. Obi-Wan could get an Eta instead of one of the generics, but then there are just so many characters to choose from... Yoda flies Eta-2 in Battlefront, I'd take Yoda or any of the other missing Jedi over a copy of Obi-Wan.

49 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Despite the extraordinary Meme Rating I would rather avoid baby Anakin, but who knows what FFG will do. Obi-Wan could get an Eta instead of one of the generics, but then there are just so many characters to choose from... Yoda flies Eta-2 in Battlefront, I'd take Yoda or any of the other missing Jedi over a copy of Obi-Wan.

Baby Anakin -- N1 Pilot, IN4, Force 1

After you perform an action, you may spend 1 [force] token to perform a barrel roll using the [straight] 2 template.

Note: It's better to balance a double length barrel roll, than the potential problems of using the same action multiple times in a row, or even staggered. The double length roll represents "spinning". On a cheap filler ship (like the N1 would be), it is a strong ability, and Baby Ani is a formidable filler ace. Also, I've chosen to represent the character's skillset as an evolution towards Vader's ability.

Young Anakin -- Aethersprite Pilot, IN5, Force 2

After you perform an action, you may spend 1 [force] to perform a boost action.

Note: It is a better version. He has a higher initiative, more Force, and he can do a better action. He can now also utilize Force Talents better than before. The main power of this build would come from his uniquely modified ship, the Azure Angel, adding all sorts of improvements. More guns, health, better dial, slots... anything that makes sense design wise. Unlike Vader, Young Anakin cannot chain actions willy nilly, since you can still only do boost once. His ship could have a linked action of boost --> sth so he can use his ability to get 2 actions, but no more.

Adult Anakin -- ETA-2-Actis pilot, IN6, Force 3

Before you activate, you may spend 1 [force] to perform an action.

Note: He got supernatural reflexes all built in, and basically he can do pre-maneuver linked actions, then do his normal ones. (You can limit the ship so that any linked actions start from the same action, so he is still limited to 1 linked action before activation and 1 regular in the action phase.) This version is great, but Vader's ability is still better.

So I hope (eventually) we get all kinds of versions for every pilot... There is ample design space here.

3 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

Anyone else see a ghost cow’s face in the background of that?!

4 hours ago, eMeM said:

Despite the extraordinary Meme Rating I would rather avoid baby Anakin, but who knows what FFG will do. Obi-Wan could get an Eta instead of one of the generics, but then there are just so many characters to choose from... Yoda flies Eta-2 in Battlefront, I'd take Yoda or any of the other missing Jedi over a copy of Obi-Wan.

I just feel that Anakin shouldn't get three Force charges until he's Darth Vader; his most powerful version.

I think he'll be the only initiative 7 pilot in the game, alongside 3 force tokens and an ability that gives him a force token (even above his maximum) every time he performs an attack. I' thinking an ETA-2 for him, and a Delta-7 for Obi-Wan to make sure he's not totally overshadowed.

5 hours ago, StriderZessei said:

I just feel that Anakin shouldn't get three Force charges until he's Darth Vader; his most powerful version.

Vader is his most iconic version, but hardly the most powerful. The canon Clone Wars really highlight Anakin's strength in the force when he's not a burned out errand boy. Especially when it comes to piloting, he's at his best in the Clone Wars.

Come on guys, you can’t not have Obi-Wan and Anakin in Actis fighting off buzz droids together, that’s crazy!

That comes in Heroes of the Jedi Order. Obi-Wan without a red fighter doesn't... doesn't count.

Not really any reason for him to not be I6 but i doubt he'll have the same ability as Vader. Force number sure, ability no.

He will probably have something along the lines of reckless flying, like spend 2 force to reduce the difficulty of a red maneuver or something. Remember the fighter is supposed to be incredibly unwieldy and difficult to use, which is why Jedi pilots were the only ones that could use them since they could use the Force to help. Its probably going to have a rather nasty dial and his ability would negate it. Not to mention he regularly did things Obi-wan would shout at him to be more careful for doing.

Anakin didnt become "more powerful" as Vader, he just switched his mentality from a Jedi to Sith, meaning he now is not afraid to use dirty tricks to win. His overall strength in the force wouldnt be affected by which ability he chose to use.

7 hours ago, Astech said:

Vader is his most iconic version, but hardly the most powerful. The canon Clone Wars really highlight Anakin's strength in the force when he's not a burned out errand boy. Especially when it comes to piloting, he's at his best in the Clone Wars.

How exactly did he lose power becoming vader then? Cyber aside, republic vader is every bit the force equal clone wars anakin is plus the quick boost from going darkside. His lightside training is faaaar from complete, he still had years to go most likely. You keep insisting anakin is stronger but it’s the same freaking guy.

edit: I had a thought while doing laundry and I believe I know why @mazz0 disagrees so much. Let’s see how this goes. Jedi are not saiyans, you don’t go into a hyperbolic time chamber and come out base power jacked. This is where I am losing him. Each living thing has a relative base power in the force, the midichlorine level, that may fluxuate but not much your power is pretty much set.

The jedi teach a skill set, that has different levels of tapping into your maximum potential. Likely only top masters can tap into their full potential and they force study to require discipline to know not to abuse their power.

Darkside teachs full on max potential abilities from go so you can overpower your enemies. There is no power discrepancy here, there is a difference in how you access the force. That’s why yoda says the darkside is easier and seductive because it grants power without discipline. The base level of a person though is not affected by training.

They are equal and all trilogies promote this. The difference is whether you have the wisdom and empathy to not abuse your talents. Vader when he cybers loses base power because he has greatly decreased his natural physical tie to the force. He is only 1/2, 3/4’s at best a living thing.

I hope that clears up why I think the way I do and not but clones wars did this. Clone wars anakin being crazy powerful just cements my opinion republic vader is even more so.

On 8/3/2018 at 6:10 PM, mazz0 said:

Initiative 6, certainly, but how powerful in the Force will he be? He’s the chosen one, yeah, but he’s still learning. How will he compare with the masters of the time: Obi Wan, Yoda*, Windu, Dooku, Maul, all the other Jedi and Dark Jedi masters?

*presumably only as crew, but who knows?

Anakin is not the chosen one.

1 hour ago, LordFajubi said:

How exactly did he lose power becoming vader then? Cyber aside, republic vader is every bit the force equal clone wars anakin is plus the quick boost from going darkside. His lightside training is faaaar from complete, he still had years to go most likely. You keep insisting anakin is stronger but it’s the same freaking guy.

edit: I had a thought while doing laundry and I believe I know why @mazz0 disagrees so much. Let’s see how this goes. Jedi are not saiyans, you don’t go into a hyperbolic time chamber and come out base power jacked. This is where I am losing him. Each living thing has a relative base power in the force, the midichlorine level, that may fluxuate but not much your power is pretty much set.

The jedi teach a skill set, that has different levels of tapping into your maximum potential. Likely only top masters can tap into their full potential and they force study to require discipline to know not to abuse their power.

Darkside teachs full on max potential abilities from go so you can overpower your enemies. There is no power discrepancy here, there is a difference in how you access the force. That’s why yoda says the darkside is easier and seductive because it grants power without discipline. The base level of a person though is not affected by training.

They are equal and all trilogies promote this. The difference is whether you have the wisdom and empathy to not abuse your talents. Vader when he cybers loses base power because he has greatly decreased his natural physical tie to the force. He is only 1/2, 3/4’s at best a living thing.

I hope that clears up why I think the way I do and not but clones wars did this. Clone wars anakin being crazy powerful just cements my opinion republic vader is even more so.

Anakin was already pretty strong in power. IIRC, he defeats Dooku in Lightsaber combat several times during the Clone Wars animated series. That show is Anakin at the peak of his Jedi Knight training. If you haven't seen it, then you are arguing your case with one hand tied behind your back.

1 minute ago, PhantomFO said:

Anakin was already pretty strong in power. IIRC, he defeats Dooku in Lightsaber combat several times during the Clone Wars animated series. That show is Anakin at the peak of his Jedi Knight training. If you haven't seen it, then you are arguing your case with one hand tied behind your back.

You didn’t read a thing I wrote, or clearly don’t understand it. His base power is way higher than even yoda’s. In D&D terms, some 1st level spells rock someone hard when cast by level 20 caster. I don’t care if he made Dooku lick his boots. If he was using lower powered knight abilities at his power level of course he’s strong. I’m not arguing his power level in clone wars. I’m done. Some people just can’t be reached.

1 hour ago, nikk whyte said:

Anakin is not the chosen one.

Uh, yes he was. He brought balance to the Force by tossing ol' Sheev down an elevator shaft, remember?

23 minutes ago, StriderZessei said:

Uh, yes he was. He brought balance to the Force by tossing ol' Sheev down an elevator shaft, remember?

Luke is explicitly named as the chosen one.

2 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

Remember the fighter is supposed to be incredibly unwieldy and difficult to use, which is why Jedi pilots were the only ones that could use them since they could use the Force to help. Its probably going to have a rather nasty dial and his ability would negate it.

But weren’t all the pilots Jedi? If they’d all have this ability to negate the bad dial (Jedi reflexes” or something) wouldn’t it be easier just to give it a decent dial, rather than a horrible dial and something extra to remember?

8 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

But weren’t all the pilots Jedi? If they’d all have this ability to negate the bad dial (Jedi reflexes” or something) wouldn’t it be easier just to give it a decent dial, rather than a horrible dial and something extra to remember?

More along the lines of regular Jedi could fly it competently, but Anakin would push it much further than other Jedi would dare.
Not saying the dial is going to be terrible, just not amazing - except for anakin who regularly does wild, crazy maneuvers.

it would probably just have the Interceptor dial w/o the 2turn greens. Which is a solid dial, but has inherit problems. Except for Anakin.

Why would it be unwieldy, it consists of a cockpit, guns, and engines, no extra fat. It wasn't a good fighter for regular pilots because it didn't have many assisting systems, shields, armor, sensors, or a full-fledged FCS as Jedi didn't need those, and taking all of this stuff out made the fighter smaller, faster, and more agile. It should have a fantastic dial.

2 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

How exactly did he lose power becoming vader then? Cyber aside, republic vader is every bit the force equal clone wars anakin is plus the quick boost from going darkside. His lightside training is faaaar from complete, he still had years to go most likely. You keep insisting anakin is stronger but it’s the same freaking guy.

edit: I had a thought while doing laundry and I believe I know why @mazz0 disagrees so much. Let’s see how this goes. Jedi are not saiyans, you don’t go into a hyperbolic time chamber and come out base power jacked. This is where I am losing him. Each living thing has a relative base power in the force, the midichlorine level, that may fluxuate but not much your power is pretty much set.

The jedi teach a skill set, that has different levels of tapping into your maximum potential. Likely only top masters can tap into their full potential and they force study to require discipline to know not to abuse their power.

Darkside teachs full on max potential abilities from go so you can overpower your enemies. There is no power discrepancy here, there is a difference in how you access the force. That’s why yoda says the darkside is easier and seductive because it grants power without discipline. The base level of a person though is not affected by training.

They are equal and all trilogies promote this. The difference is whether you have the wisdom and empathy to not abuse your talents. Vader when he cybers loses base power because he has greatly decreased his natural physical tie to the force. He is only 1/2, 3/4’s at best a living thing.

I hope that clears up why I think the way I do and not but clones wars did this. Clone wars anakin being crazy powerful just cements my opinion republic vader is even more so.

Why are you so hung up on what I said? I was mimicking you when I said “you do realise ... right?” because to me it sounded needlessly confrontational, and the part about the dark side being easier, not stronger, was a Yoda quote.

I think we agree for the most part. The Jedi teach restraint. Jedi don’t seem as powerful because they’re trained to hold themselves back, particularly in combat, where using the force offensively sets you on the dark path, which usually ends in your own destruction.

I’m not sure we really have the evidence to say whether late Anakin was stronger or weaker than pre-op Vader, or whether post-op Vader was more or less powerful than pre-op Vader.

14 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

More along the lines of regular Jedi could fly it competently, but Anakin would push it much further than other Jedi would dare.
Not saying the dial is going to be terrible, just not amazing - except for anakin who regularly does wild, crazy maneuvers.

it would probably just have the Interceptor dial w/o the 2turn greens. Which is a solid dial, but has inherit problems. Except for Anakin.

Not sure that makes sense. If the best a “normal” Jedi could do was competent (represented by a mediocre dial) then why not give the Jedi standard ships which with their skills would be amazing? I think the idea is it was so manoeuvrable that only a Jedi could handle it, but in their hands it was insane. It should have an incredible dial, I reckon.