With the latest announcement it only makes sense we should start talking about the Rebel Counter Part. The Viscount Class Mon Calamari Star Defender

So thing is this is still only in the Legends canon (unless it gets retconned being scrapped by the newly incompetent republic somehow or was destroyed by Starkiller base). So that is one thing but still why should it not be allowed in Armada? After all we still have Jan Ors (not Jyn Eyrso). Anyway this would be the perfect counterpart to the Executor.

So what do you think of a Rebel Huge Ship in Armada?

Yes.

Yep! Maybe with General Solo as a Commander? He's still missing.

Looks sort of a lot like the MC85, anyway...

3 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Looks sort of a lot like the MC85, anyway...

It is a Mon Calamari ship so of course it will look similar. But it is way larger than that.

9 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Looks sort of a lot like the MC85, anyway...

You got it the wrong way around. Rian Johnson just stole from the Legends Material!

But the MC85 is Disney-canon, while the Star Defender isn't. Given that I have a feeling FFG would rather make the former than the latter.

That said, scale may be a bit of an issue. The MC85 is about twice as long as an ISD, or about a 6th the length of an SSD. The Viscount-class is either about as long as the MC85 or about as long as an SSD depending on who you ask.

The Rebel huge ship needn't be a 220-400 point monstrosity like the SSD. It could be the power level of the lowest SSD prototype and still be awesome. In fact, it would make more sense to do that. The SSD may introduce Armada to epic play and huge ships, but it should realistically represent the upper limit.

The Viscount is legitimately hard to distinguish from the MC85, and that's a problem. With sliding scale, the dimensions alone aren't enough to make it different from a future Raddus ship.

But that's fine. The MC85 is a barely-renamed facelift of the Viscount. They might not even be incompatible. They could easily be called part of a single class of ship, and the new Disney canon could just smooth over any irregularities and standardize the size to the Raddus. Either way, the New Republic stopped making MC85s when they signed the Military Disarmament Act at the end of the GCW, so that puts the construction of these ships squarely in late-GCW period. Boom. Get them into Armada pronto, though maybe don't undermine the SSD just yet by giving the Rebels a rival for it so soon.

39 minutes ago, Grumbleduke said:

But the MC85 is Disney-canon, while the Star Defender isn't. Given that I have a feeling FFG would rather make the former than the latter.

That said, scale may be a bit of an issue. The MC85 is about twice as long as an ISD, or about a 6th the length of an SSD. The Viscount-class is either about as long as the MC85 or about as long as an SSD depending on who you ask.

The Star Defender is 17 km.

Just now, >kkj said:

The Star Defender is 17 km. 

Depends who you ask; in some sources it is 3km. For the tabletop game (where the model is from) it was made to be ~17km to match the SSD.

Wookieepedia says pretty clearly that only the first prototype was 3km and the line model was 17 km, so i'll take that one. Besides, its both Legends anyway so FFG can do whatever they want and im pretty sure they wont go with the 3 km if they choose this ship as a epic ship.

Plus many sources state that it was pretty much conceived as any Executor-class equivalent so yeah.

It is really about time some designs other than mon cal ones were made

3 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

It is really about time some designs other than mon cal ones were made

Have you seen the ' Scythe-class main battle cruiser ' from 100+ some years in the future of the setting?

Very non-canon, now, but while it was ostensibly a Mon Cal design (the MC140) ...it doesn't look much like one. I could easily see the Starhawk being inspired by the design - it's actually pretty cool...

I’m not yet convinced that the SSD is good for this game. I’m also not yet convinced it isn’t.

Until we can tell that the SSD is good for the game, why would we start wishing for another huge ship.

If if you want a ship that outperforms ISDs and gives SSDs trouble, make Mon Remonda.

Y'know, I don't think the Rebels need an epic ship of their own.

I mean with fighter supremacy and a larger emphasis on defense, you'd be able to withstand or circumvent the bluster of an SSD. I mean... consider a Raddus bomb dropping into the rear hull zone of this thing and firing away. What's the SSD going to do, shuffle like a beach turtle while absorbing APT blow after APT blow?

Meanwhile if the Rebels did get an Epic... would it be so hyper-specialized on the defense that it would be impossible to kill?

I keep seeing the Starhawk mentioned in these threads...

We don't even have a canon appearance for it yet, do we?

2 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

Meanwhile   if the Rebels did get an Epic... would   it be so hyper-specialized on the defense that it would be imposs  ible to kill?

5 blue dice out each arc. 6/6/6/5 shielding. 2 brace, 3 redirect, 1 contain. 9 Hull.

The first title is double redundant shields. The second title is functionally a second ECM

2 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

I keep seeing the Starhawk mentioned in these threads...

We don't even have a canon appearance for it yet, do we?

Aftermath Novels

Just now, Gottmituns205 said:

Aftermath Novels

Appearance as in what it looks like.

9 hull is Large territory... would want more than that, even if less than an a Star Dreadnought prototype to make up for extra shields...

Shiekds are not as great as hull in a world of XI7s

Just now, Church14 said:

9 Hull 

This isn't workable and you'll have Rebel players shouting you down for handing over a glass cannon.

Why? Every Imperial Player will show up with Speed 3 APT Kuat Destroyers and ram/APT you to death.

Or even better, Raddus shows up and plops the 75 in your weakest arc to dual torp you to death with APTs and ramming with Reinforced Bulkheads.

At minimum , I'd expect 20.

4 hours ago, xanderf said:

Have you seen the ' Scythe-class main battle cruiser ' from 100+ some years in the future of the setting?

Very non-canon, now, but while it was ostensibly a Mon Cal design (the MC140) ...it doesn't look much like one. I could easily see the Starhawk being inspired by the design - it's actually pretty cool...

I have always loved the Scythe Class, and I think it’s a good idea to have it be the basis for the Starhawk.

The Starhawk was constructed from disassembled Imperial ships though. So it makes a lot more sense for it to look more like an Imperial ship that something completely unusual.

I personally would like to see a MC80 "Home one" for the rebellion, the 3.2km version. Not as large or as strong as an SSD but something big for the rebellion.

6 hours ago, Norsehound said:

This isn't workable and you'll have Rebel players shouting you down for handing over a glass cannon.

Why? Every Imperial Player will show up with Speed 3 APT Kuat Destroyers and ram/APT you to death.

Or even better, Raddus shows up and plops the 75 in your weakest arc to dual torp you to death with APTs and ramming with Reinforced Bulkheads.

At minimum , I'd expect 20.

I’m laughing, but I have to ask:

That is where you drew the line at the ship design I gave?