12 hours ago, xanderf said:

Looks sort of a lot like the MC85, anyway...

And what are the ships around it?

13 minutes ago, CDAT said:

And what are the ships around it?

• The Nebulon-C frigate Anodyne
• The Free Virgillia-class corvette Ninka
• And the Vakbeor-class cargo frigate Vigil

40 minutes ago, xanderf said:

• The Nebulon-C frigate Anodyne
• The Free Virgillia-class corvette Ninka
• And the Vakbeor-class cargo frigate Vigil

Thank you, I have never seen any of them before. Looking them up in Wookieepedia. None of them look like they are very large, so the ship that they are around that is larger then them I would have a very hard time saying it was a huge ship. Based on what I can find (see below) all three of them would be small based ships, making at best the ship a large based, but more likely a medium based ship. I do not know if there are any official rules for what the cut off for small/medium/large/huge base are, but it looks like some place between 600-700 is the standard, as there is only one exception to that and most people that I know say that the Quasar Fire should have been a small based ship.

Nebulon-C Frigate 550 Meters (Rounding)
Virgilla Corvette 325 Meters (rounding)
Vakbeor Frigate 500 Meters (rounding)

Current Rebel ships
Assault Frigate Mk II 700 Meters (currently only medium)
Pelta 300 Meters (rounding)
Nebulon-B 300 Meters
CR-90 150 Meters
Hamerhead 325 Meters (rounding)
MC30 about 580 (600 Meters with Rounding) [now it is also not clear if it is a legends or canon ship.]

Just to make sure I am not missing something also looking at the Empire Medium ships
Victory 900 Meters
Interdictor 1150 Meters
Quasar Fire 350 Meters (rounding and using length from legends page and can not find any canon listing)

My theory is that there will be a title that allows a rebel ssd

reasoning: one of the titles looks a lot like the art for the lusankya which was captured and used by rebels.

the art:

it looks like the one with the rebel symbols on it

That card appears to be lacking the actual Rebel symbol on its Executor though. And the letter, hard to make out as it is, does not look like an L for Lusankya - I think it's more likely that it's going to turn out to be the Ravager.

That painting appears to have been made into two cards. The card for the ship fighting the Lusankya appears to begin with An. Probably it is Annihilator - one of the most prominent newcanon SSDs.

I know no one asked, but i'm a big fan of the Scythe and Mon Remonda as well so I tried to combine them. I don't think they look to bad together.

33 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

I know no one asked, but i'm a big fan of the Scythe and Mon Remonda as well so I tried to combine them. I don't think they look to bad together.

1: That Sycthe Cruiser looks small. I always thought it was MC80 size.

2: looks like a stingray from above, but odd from the side. Also looks too symmetrical for a Mom Cal ship.

3-4: look pretty good. Not a bad compromise between the 2.

5: Not sure I’m digging this one. The back fins look like their from an Assault Frigate. That front hammerhead; I don’t know about that.

On 8/3/2018 at 4:08 PM, Indy_com said:

I keep seeing the Starhawk mentioned in these threads...

We don't even have a canon appearance for it yet, do we?

7 minutes ago, Ewok on Stilts said:

1: That Sycthe Cruiser looks small. I always thought it was MC80 size.

2: looks like a stingray from above, but odd from the side. Also looks too symmetrical for a Mom Cal ship.

3-4: look pretty good. Not a bad compromise between the 2.

5: Not sure I’m digging this one. The back fins look like their from an Assault Frigate. That front hammerhead; I don’t know about that.

I couldn't find any official stats for it. Best I could find is that it mentions on Wookiepedia is that it's a third of a Palleon Class SD which is around 1600m. a third of 1600 is 530m, which is the scale I used.

Thanks, I think for the rest.

On 8/3/2018 at 4:12 PM, Norsehound said:

Why   ? Every Imperial  Player will show up with Speed 3 APT Kuat Destroyers  and ram/APT you to  de  ath     . 

No I won't I promise!

9 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

No I won't I promise!

I think we should trust him guys. Something about the moustache makes him seem honest to me.

On 8/3/2018 at 12:56 PM, Nostromoid said:

The Rebel huge ship needn't be a 220-400 point monstrosity like the SSD. It could be the power level of the lowest SSD prototype and still be awesome. In fact, it would make more sense to do that. The SSD may introduce Armada to epic play and huge ships, but it should realistically represent the upper limit.

The Viscount is legitimately hard to distinguish from the MC85, and that's a problem. With sliding scale, the dimensions alone aren't enough to make it different from a future Raddus ship.

But that's fine. The MC85 is a barely-renamed facelift of the Viscount. They might not even be incompatible. They could easily be called part of a single class of ship, and the new Disney canon could just smooth over any irregularities and standardize the size to the Raddus. Either way, the New Republic stopped making MC85s when they signed the Military Disarmament Act at the end of the GCW, so that puts the construction of these ships squarely in late-GCW period. Boom. Get them into Armada pronto, though maybe don't undermine the SSD just yet by giving the Rebels a rival for it so soon.

The Viscount-class Star Defender prototype was 3000 meters in Legends, and the Raddus is 3,438.37 meters. Recon the MC85 cruisers and make the Raddus the Viscount-class prototype.

A bit meaningless though in the context of this thread, since the Viscount and Raddus are in the Legends/Canon New Republic era, not the Rebel Alliance time period.

The Lucrehulk-class Battleship is the largest ship the Rebels possessed both in Legends or Canon.

That doesn't bother me (I like the Lucrehulk-class both as a ship and a personal meme) because the Rebels successfully defeated SSDs in lore despite the severe disparity in fleet strength, and we can do so in-game.

On paper.

No thanks. Not everything needs to “match up” in this game. I like that FFG gave something back to the Empire to make them seem mighty again. After the first couple of waves of this game the Rebellion felt less like a hodge podge group and more an even match for Imperial ships. That’s a little silly given the basis of the material. I miss the days when I’d play as the Rebs and have to focus heavily on objectives and when I did down a large Imperial vessel it felt like a major achievement.

There’s no need for the Rebels to have a huge ship, especially something based on Legends designs. I’d much rather the Rebels get some new stuff with good designs, things like utilitarian pieces, cards with wookie boarding teams, U-wings, stuff of that nature.

Not a huge ship just because the other team got one. I support flavor over fairness in size. Give the Empire its might in ships and the Rebels their might in cards.

10 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

I know no one asked, but i'm a big fan of the Scythe and Mon Remonda as well so I tried to combine them. I don't think they look to bad together.

I have to say I have no idea about size, but think that (like others have said) from top down number one looks to small, and at least for me I am not a fan of the hammerhead either up/down or side to side. Having said that I do kind of like the looks of number two and four.

8 hours ago, CDAT said:

I am not a fan of the hammerhead either up/down or side to side  

Make sense though. You put more guns along an axis without increasing the ship volume too much (bigger hull overall), you get more firepower on a smaller hull. Which is what we see with Scythe. Scythe lore stated that as a result of a change in Doctrine which take 'economic reality' in account, the navy was favoring smaller but more tougher and more powerful ships.

On 8/4/2018 at 5:58 PM, Flavorabledeez said:

No thanks. Not everything needs to “match up” in this game. I like that FFG gave something back to the Empire to make them seem mighty again. After the first couple of waves of this game the Rebellion felt less like a hodge podge group and more an even match for Imperial ships. That’s a little silly given the basis of the material. I miss the days when I’d play as the Rebs and have to focus heavily on objectives and when I did down a large Imperial vessel it felt like a major achievement.

There’s no need for the Rebels to have a huge ship, especially something based on Legends designs. I’d much rather the Rebels get some new stuff with good designs, things like utilitarian pieces, cards with wookie boarding teams, U-wings, stuff of that nature.

Not a huge ship just because the other team got one. I support flavor over fairness in size. Give the Empire its might in ships and the Rebels their might in cards.

Normally for Star Wars games I would agree, especially if they were asymmetrical in nature just like Rebellion or one of the many Card Games.

However Armada is not asymmetrical but a game where everyone is expected to have a list with the same number of points and be fairly equal in power. Now in future campaigns you can add some asymmetry so where Rebels will always be outnumbered and out gunned but have ways to get more points than Imperials forcing them to outplay them in the campaign and just not get wiped out on the table. But when other factions start to get added in then sure why not give the rebels their Big Bad Ship?

Remind me again, why would the Rebels even need a huge ship? Just to have one? Or that they don't feel any more like a ragtag force fighting an overwhelmingly more powerful evil?

Personally only because SSD is a thing now I don't think there should be huge ships for all imaginable faction. In fact I think huge ship would be an Imperial exclusive as nobody else had the resources to build them.

5 hours ago, Norell said:

Remind me again, why would the Rebels even need a huge ship? Just to have one? Or that they don't feel any more like a ragtag force fighting an overwhelmingly more powerful evil?

Personally only because SSD is a thing now I don't think there should be huge ships for all imaginable faction. In fact I think huge ship would be an Imperial exclusive as nobody else had the resources to build them.

An argument could be made for game balance over theme.

That, and FFG likes to make money, and if the SSD makes money that could also be made with a Rebel huge I’m sure they will make one.

6 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Normally for Star Wars games I would agree, especially if they were asymmetrical in nature just like Rebellion or one of the many Card Games.

However Armada is not asymmetrical but a game where everyone is expected to have a list with the same number of points and be fairly equal in power. Now in future campaigns you can add some asymmetry so where Rebels will always be outnumbered and out gunned but have ways to get more points than Imperials forcing them to outplay them in the campaign and just not get wiped out on the table. But when other factions start to get added in then sure why not give the rebels their Big Bad Ship?

Because the Rebels don’t need it.

The point of different factions is that they play differently and therefore feel different... which does make this an asymmetric game outside of an overall framework of points. Once you hit ships of a certain size said ships feel imposing AND they’ll all start feeling similar. I mean honestly, what’s the only way to make giant ships different? Change the focus of their firing arcs? Maybe have one turn tighter than the other? Bleh.

There’s nothing that would feel particularly “Rebellious” about just throwing in a big ship for this game just because the Rebels don’t have one yet.

I do not think the rebels need a big ship. I’m looking forward to going up against an ssd with what the rebs already have. It should be a blast trying to survive against the ssd.

Frankly I don't want to see any ship on the Rebels side that make an ISD look weak and vulnerable...

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I do not think the rebels need a big ship. I’m looking forward to going up against an ssd with what the rebs already have. It should be a blast trying to survive against the ssd.

I agree. I don’t think there needs to be parity on ship types or size or anything else really. I think for example, that there are enough imperial designs for an interesting imp fighter pack, more so than Rebs.

I vote for no Rebel huge - I don’t think it suits the faction. If the Resistance/New Republic had ships that big then let that faction have one.

On 8/3/2018 at 2:34 PM, ISD Avenger said:

It is really about time some designs other than mon cal ones were made

I love the Mon Cal designs the most but I have to agree with you. I like variety more. Assault frigates please!