If force users are premium costed, I can't fathom how much more expensive the Leader of Omegas is going to be than 1st edition, being both Initiative 6 and muting uppity Vader, Rey, Kylo and Luke.

Midnight; Keeping Force Users Honest Since 2018

Probably not that much more expensive. She'll excel against the Force users, sure, but as soon as she hits a TIE swarm she'll just throw her hands in the air and say "**** this, I'm out."

Lt Kestal with 5th Brother in the gunner seat tells most force users to suck their proton rocket.

4 hours ago, DR4CO said:

Probably not that much more expensive. She'll excel against the Force users, sure, but as soon as she hits a TIE swarm she'll just throw her hands in the air and say "**** this, I'm out."

Pretty much what Omega Leader does now; one on one, you can take anything without target lock immunity, but in a multiship crossfire you're a TIE fighter with a shield upgrade for double the points. Midnight should be more expensive, though - firstly I6 puts the ship head and shoulders above 90% of opponents, and with Black One and Expert Handling no longer removing target locks, once that lock is established, it's staying there.

That said, assuming Comm Relay is gone (since advanced optics is now weapons guidance and multiple stacked tokens fur nicht much points ist apparently verboten), Omega Leader has taken a hit on firepower - without being able to 'hold' an evade token, using juke means evading every turn which means unmodified attack dice.

Oh, and given the article, 'Midnight' is apparently a he. I can't remember where Omega Leader started being referred to as a she, but either we've been wrong or it's being changed. Looking back at the news articles, Omega Leader is referred to as a 'him' in the X-wing 101 articles last year, too.

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Oh, and given the article, 'Midnight' is apparently a he. I can't remember where Omega Leader started being referred to as a she, but either we've been wrong or it's being changed. Looking back at the news articles, Omega Leader is referred to as a 'him' in the X-wing 101 articles last year, too.

That's not true..... THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

Dang, where did we all get this idea from??? I'm not changing pronouns still but from where did this mass delusion spring?

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

without being able to 'hold' an evade token, using juke means evading every turn which means unmodified attack dice.

"That ship's dice cannot be modified."

Gone are the days of the Juke Knights. Comm Relay would not have saved her.

18 minutes ago, HammerGibbens said:

"That ship's dice cannot be modified."

Gone are the days of the Juke Knights. Comm Relay would not have saved her.

That's a fair point. In which case, just stick with a focus to land hits and leave your opponent needing to roll natural hits.

With Midnight's ability reducing your opponent to unmodified rolls, theoretically you should be taking hits - if you take hits - one at a time, so fanatical might do some work; once your shield goes you get to all intents and purposes an offensive focus, meaning you can evade to keep yourself alive and still get modified attacks.

18 minutes ago, HammerGibbens said:

That's not true..... THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

Dang, where did we all get this idea from??? I'm not changing pronouns still but from where did this mass delusion spring?

Not sure. See a similar conversation in a thread last year. Certainly when first released Omega Leader was generally referred to in threads as 'he'.

I think there was a fairly widespread third party Paul La Rue Alt Art which showed Omega Leader as female. I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: Here

I am reasonably sure an old ffg article referred to OL as her before.

It was in the TIE FO reveal article for the wave 8 pack.

21 minutes ago, Arschbombe said:

It was in the TIE FO reveal article for the wave 8 pack.

Link to said article.

"Accordingly, you’ll find there are few better at juking their opponents than “Omega Leader,” one of the expansion’s three unique aces, whose pilot skill value of eight ensures he almost always fires near the top of combat."

Omega Leader has always and consistently been a he.

Well, durn. Coulda sworn OL was a she.

Maybe just confused with Quickdraw...

its literally the same as 1.e omega, except top init instead of 2nd top.

OL isnt a massive problem, just a big enough thorn to be a bad idea to let live to the end of the game.

Also its worth noting that since OL still has the blanket no mod rule "spending dice" is considered modification now. So OL shuts down things like Wam- er i mean Seyn Marana cannot spend a crit to deal 1 facedown lol

8 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

its literally the same as 1.e omega, except top init instead of 2nd top.

No, there's one key distinction.

OL can't modify his target's dice either, now. As others have said a few times, that means no more Juke.

2 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

That's a dude with an 80's hairdo. Plays in a Glam Metal Band on the weekends.

According to the rules, cancelling a die is not modifying. Wonder if we can get some juicy way for OL to cancel evade results...

2 Attack dice against unmodded green dice will actually be significant in 2.0. Remember we won't have hyper defensive ships anymore. No more reinforcing wookies that laughed at most attacks or Asajj spamming glitterstim.

To me she will always be a she.

"While you defend or perform an attack, if you have a lock on the enemy ship, that ship's dice cannot be modified."

The same ability of 1.0 and a better PS, he will be nice on 1 vs 1.

Coordinate and Squad Leader will be popular to give actions for ship who need it for shine !

So, not to spoil the fun....Jam removes locks in 2.0.

If you are up vs a squad that doesn't have jam, then you are great. If there is a Jamming asset, then at BEST you are locking jut about every turn to get your ability back.

It would be real real sweet of them to put a system on her for FCS...

8 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

To me she will always be a she.

How dare you assume his gender. ?

6 minutes ago, Arkanta974 said:

"While you defend or perform an attack, if you have a lock on the enemy ship, that ship's dice cannot be modified."

Juke shouldnt work with OL in 2.0 either way. The end part of the sentence that ship's dice cannot be modified should count for any evade results too.

There is a slight difference in wording between 1.0 and 2.0, but it makes a big difference.

2 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:

Juke shouldnt work with OL in 2.0 either way. The end part of the sentence that ship's dice cannot be modified should count for any evade results too.

We're already in agreement for that. No one gets to modify the dice, including palp on a different ship.

Just now, JasonCole said:

We're already in agreement for that. No one gets to modify the dice, including palp on a different ship.

Must have missed it in the skim through, cheers.

11 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

To me she will always be a she.

Then you will always be wrong.

2 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

So, not to spoil the fun....Jam removes locks in 2.0.

If you are up vs a squad that doesn't have jam, then you are great. If there is a Jamming asset, then at BEST you are locking jut about every turn to get your ability back. 

Interestingly, Poe can take Jamming Beam now. That would have made him one of the few people who could consistently shut down old OL, because he would fire first and remove the lock (he was the same but even better, of course, in 1e with Black One). Bumping OL up to I6 as well means that OL could potentially outbid Poe and get to fire with his ability before Poe can do anything about it.

I've got to assume this is exactly why his Initiative was bumped up. Poe cannot be a hard counter to OL now, and OL can be a good counter to Poe. All comes down to the bid now and who gets first player. Feels like good fluff to me. Poe's main rival shoudn't be Kylo, IMO. Poe and OL now get to be the Wedge and Soontir to Rey and Kylo's Luke and Vader.

1 minute ago, Archangelspiv said:

Must have missed it in the skim through, cheers.

To be fair, it might have been one of the other threads where that's come up rather than here. Ol coming in at I6 has generated a fair number of nerd-boners.

11 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:

Juke shouldnt work with OL in 2.0 either way. The end part of the sentence that ship's dice cannot be modified should count for any evade results too.

There is a slight difference in wording between 1.0 and 2.0, but it makes a big difference.

I don't think so : The same ability from 1.0

While you defend or perform an attack : So when I roll my dice

If you have a lock on the enemy ship : If I get a target lock on the ship I perform my attack/defense phase

that ship's dice cannot be modified : Mean the enemy ship who got the lock

I mean if it's really affect "Omega Leader" should be said this : " "While you defend or perform an attack, if you have a lock on the enemy ship, you and the enemy ship dice cannot be modified. Or this "While you defend or perform an attack, if you have a lock on the enemy ship, your dice cannot be modified.