Many people are converting, but many are not.

for those who dont convert will x-wing be a dead game?

If it's anything like my experience with other games that move to a new edition there'll be a decent chance that some enthusiastic people generate new content for 1st edition...for about 3-9 months. Then there'll be very little or nothing at all. You normally get some enthusiastic non-adopters to keep things going but the reality is, without any official support, you're relying on that enthusiasm, which will disappear at some point for any number of reasons. If you have a closed group of people you can keep anything going indefinitely but because it's almost impossible to get new blood into such a group the reality is you'll eventually run out of players.

I can say for an absolute certainty that there will be no new official 1e content.

It'll be as dead/alive dependent on how many people continue to play it. But don't expect any official support or releases from FFG.

Is this the first time you've had a war game go through an edition change?

There wont be new content sorry. As for Warhammer battle or other. Xwing is just cjanging from 1 to 2

I'd be surprised if there was even a final FAQ.

The ONLY reason I might hang on to my 1.0 paper/cardboard is if I get the hankering to play Epic. Even then, I feel I can homebrew the ships and mechanics fairly well.

The Supreme Leader (1.0) is dead!

Long live the Supreme Leader (2.0)!

9 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

The ONLY reason I might hang on to my 1.0 paper/cardboard is if I get the hankering to play Epic. Even then, I feel I can homebrew the ships and mechanics fairly well.

The Supreme Leader (1.0) is dead!

Long live the Supreme Leader (2.0)!

Honestly, I think 1e Epics will translate into 2e just fine. The mechanics were never well balanced for 1e anyway.

Fan created contend is always a possibility, but this usually happens because some players liked the old version better. X-Wing 2.0 however is fundamentally the same game and most people agree, it is objectively better then 1.0. The people that don't want to convert primarily cite money as their main reason.

So I don't see passion and effort keeping 1.0 alive for very long.

2 hours ago, Duskwalker said:

The people that don't want to convert primarily cite money as their main reason.

These ppl are lazy, 4.5 months to budget $90 for a core set and 1 faction conversion kit. If the 2 middle school kids in my local group can mow lawns during the summer to save money than adults can budget it out as well.

But yeah no more official 1.0 content, probably wont even get a new faq that covers wave 14.

5 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

for those who dont convert will x-wing be a dead game?

Yes.

3 hours ago, __underscore__ said:

I'd be surprised if there was even a final FAQ.

I'd be amazed. It's in FFG's interests to leave 1.0 a smoking ruin so people buy 2.0.

Lol, 1.0 is already dead.

5 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Many people are converting, but many are not.

for those who dont convert will x-wing be a dead game?

You can play with your current collection, the hard thing will be find players that want to play 1.0

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

2 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

You're nuts.

46 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Lol, 1.0 is already dead.

^ This.

15 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

8 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

This sounds like total self delusion to me.

I know I can't counter one anecdote with another, but I can't tell you how many people I saw give up the game one by one as they got sick of the relentless progression of power creep, negative play experiences, broken jank, unblockable damage, point fortresses and underskilled upgrade card battles that dominated the latter third of 1e's life. Or how many comments I've seen from those same or similar minded people who are expressing a renewed interest in the game thanks to 2e cutting out all that crap.

And I mean this

13 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

how everything is nerfed to **** and back

Is demonstrably, factually false.

So many ships have been undeniably buffed in 2e. The X-Wing, the Y-Wing, the TIE Bomber, the TIE Punisher, the Defender, Slave One, the Lambda, the Star Viper...

That's not even getting to the more subjective things, like how certain builds have been improved by the interaction of new mechanics.

Honestly, it sounds like sour grapes just because your particular favourite broken-***, power creep, NPE list has been rightfully nerfed.

16 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL.

Why on earth would you want that back?

22 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

If you’re having fun with Rainbow Dash then your opponent isn’t.

7 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

for those who dont convert will x-wing be a dead game?

Uh, yeah. That's why I generally have my undies in a bunch these days.

5 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Is this the first time you've had a war game go through an edition change?

Uh, yeah. My past experience is either:

A. The company making the game goes bankrupt, so clearly no new content

or

B. The game gets a large rules makeover but you can easily blend old and new.

4 hours ago, Duskwalker said:

X-Wing 2.0 however is fundamentally the same game and most people agree, it is objectively subjectively better then 1.0. The people that don't want to convert primarily cite money as their main reason.

So I don't see passion and effort keeping 1.0 alive for very long.

A: 1.0 and 2.0 are fundamentally incompatible, so they are not the same game. PS and Init don't mesh, ordnance does not work the same at all, the Force was added, dials were changed, EPTs are based off of bulleye arcs for many ships; and I could go on. It's like saying chess and checkers are fundamentally the same game because they use the same board.

B: FTFY. And given that no one save the devs has actually played 2.0, its VERY subjective.

C. It's not money, it's value. I have the money, I would not miss the money, I will probably spend the money elsewhere. But why spend money that does not add value to my XWM experience?

D. I'm not so sure about that. @weisguy119 has still got plenty of passion for 1.0, just like me. I'll probably be playing 1.0 for a couple of years because (a) no support for Epic, (b) there is still no sign of a conversion for First Order and Resistance; I'm not about to shelve my brand new TIE Silencer, (c) I don't expect to see any new ships while Wave and after Wave of 2.0 reprints comes to market, and (d) I don't trust the 2.0 isn't going to devolve into the same stupid meta clap-trap* of 1.0.

*Instead of whining about broken cards, people are just going to whine that FFG got the points wrong. Same ****, different target.

1 hour ago, redki said:

You can play with your current collection, the hard thing will be find players that want to play 1.0

Not in public. 1.0 is just going to go underground.

47 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

If you’re having fun with Rainbow Dash then your opponent isn’t.

1 hour ago, madquest8 said:

Once players see how awful the 2.0 rules are and how everything is nerfed to **** and back, I'm sure there will be more than a few who don't mind playing 1.0. Others will head to 1.0 players to see how much fun they can have with proper Dash and PTL. Granted this will depend on the main player having a good selection of ships, but I think the game will continue, just not in the FLGS. In fact FLGS play will be hit hard, as all the veteran fans are kicked to the kerb, Eventually it will recover, but expect to see a massive drop in players for about 6 -12 months, then as new players come in the old vets will be forgotten. Same thing happened with MTG many years ago. FFG take a financial hit for a while, but ultimately get the money back from new players... Then they will eventually repeat the process with 3.0 etc, etc, going forwards.

A sad state of affairs.

This is the most hilarious thing I’ve read this week.

Guess you don’t want good, non-broken ordnance? Or for TIE swarms to be worth anything? Or for A-Wings, Y-wings, B-Wings, TIE interceptors, Lambda Shuttles, E-Wings, U-Wings, TIE Punishers, Mist Hunters, or TIE Phantoms to be useable? Or for choosing maneuvers to matter?

It’s really the long-time veterans who remember what these ships were like to fly when they were good who have been most excited about the change.

But it’s okay. Just fly your broken combos as long as you want. If you want to play Miran-Dash-Wing, feel free to keep playing it. No one’s stopping you. Some of us just want to use the iconic movie ships without getting laughed off the table, and are interested in variety of build archetypes in competitive play. That’s what 2.0 is supposed to help.

6 hours ago, Jike said:

If it's anything like my experience with other games that move to a new edition there'll be a decent chance that some enthusiastic people generate new content for 1st edition...for about 3-9 months. Then there'll be very little or nothing at all. You normally get some enthusiastic non-adopters to keep things going but the reality is, without any official support, you're relying on that enthusiasm, which will disappear at some point for any number of reasons. If you have a closed group of people you can keep anything going indefinitely but because it's almost impossible to get new blood into such a group the reality is you'll eventually run out of players.

I think there is going to be enough enthusiasm that any new 2E content will quickly have 1E stats and cards homebrewed and posted online for those that want to continue that edition.

****, on Board Game Geek there is still conversation going on about and someone posted yet more alternate rules just yesterday for 1E Descent. 2E came out six years ago.

7 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Many people are converting, but many are not.

for those who dont convert will x-wing be a dead game?

yep.