MAFIA - Depths of Coruscant

By EbonHawk, in Star Wars: Armada Off-Topic

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Just now, Lord Preyer said:

Arrgh! The one thing I really didn’t want to have to do was vote Jabba today!

you don't have to. Ghost hammered

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@EbonHawk

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I seem to be made to suffer. It’s my lot in life... ?

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Good luck, guys.

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2 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I seem to be made to suffer. It’s my lot in life... ?

You're really unlucky. I tried to push on Mad though.

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3 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

@PodRacer - (0)

@Madaghmire - (1) - Ovi

@ovinomanc3r - (0)

@Caldias - (1) - Ovi , Preyer

@Lord Preyer - (1)- Gnips, Mad

@The Jabbawookie - (4) - Pod, Cal , Mad, Cal, Gnips

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0)

4 to  hammer  

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Hammer....

It seems the fat hairy slug JabbaWookie is dead, in a bar lock up I imagine his fur could kick up..

he was town.. And a bar regular! I said find my brothers killer not put me out of business

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Night begins 24hrs

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@Madaghmire - (0) -

@ovinomanc3r - (0)  -

@Caldias - (0) -

@Lord Preyer - (0) -

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0) -

Day dawns through the bar Windows... And shines onto the mechanical Rancor...

strapped onto it at highest speed is Podracer, who unable to be thrown off in the night had his brains turned to scrambled eggs....

Gheez Health and Safety will be all over me for that one!

@PodRacer has died, town cop.

Day 2

3 to hammer.

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Edited by EbonHawk
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Well, no surprise there. Unfortunate that Pod appears to have been either the insane cop or Jabbawookie was framed. I think it more likely tho, that Pod was insane, and I was framed, because I think I was a better framing target for scum. Hats off on that.

Ovi, and results you’d care to share from last night?

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5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Ovi, and results you’d care to share from last night?

Not yet.

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Well back to traditional methods then. Sadly, due to the double cop claim its harder to draw conclusions from yesterdays votes. Im taking my daughter to the zoo but ill be back later with more.

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Since the day is 48 hours, I am also going to be away for a bit, visiting some friends. Be back tonight. No counter claim yet, and I figure someone would have done it by now if Ovi was lying. Inclined to believe his claim.

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Hi guys, just packing it in after a party. Will be back on in the morning.

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Yeah tonights a lost cause for me. I’m full on tanked. Zoo to bedtime to my friends house for secret hitler (best hitler ive ever played.) Right into karaokee. Man i love karaokee. Im still out. I’ll wake up tomorrow and take a shot at finding the ****** who framed me ?

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4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Yeah tonights a lost cause for me. I’m full on tanked. Zoo to bedtime to my friends house for secret hitler (best hitler ive ever played.) Right into karaokee. Man i love karaokee. Im still out. I’ll wake up tomorrow and take a shot at finding the ****** who framed me ?

Wtf is secret Hitler?

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Its a social deduction game, like mafia.

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54 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Its a social deduction game, like mafia.

May have to give this a try

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Good morning.

Here’s my take:

- I am Vanilla Town (apologies for claiming too early to Town’s detriment - sorry especially @PodRacer I fear you were all too right!)

- @ovinomanc3r as a Cop seems probable to me (not least because of the risk/reward a cop claim/counterclaim scenario would have created)

- Therefore my primary suspects pool becomes @Caldias @Madaghmire @GhostofNobodyInParticular

- Which shifts the odds if I just chose randomly to 2/3

- I don’t know to what extent I can trust any information coming out of Ovi based on his scans though because of the sane/insane and framer dynamics at work

- Still, the jabba vs Mads “experiment” was run with Jabba turning out Town. Mads could have been framed but that still leads me to act towards Mads with heightened suspicion (whilst acknowledging the difference between suspicion and probability)

- Then there is the GNIPs hammer on Jabba set against Cal’s willingness to run a train against EITHER Jabba or Mads (which at this point at least shades Cal a little more Town in my mind in comparative terms but I need to double check this)

- So now I’ll go back and do another reread and see if I get any further

Sorry if this is all just too obvious but after all that Next Level play I feel I need to keep my feet on the ground!

Cheers!

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I am trying to make heads or tails of yesterday, and I’m coming up with depressingly little. Plus we’re at lylo.

Givens;

Ovi is our last remaining cop, lack of counterclaim at this point proves it. Our only confirmed town. He also has an investigation result he seems unwilling to share at this juncture. I presume because he doesn’t want us getting distracted by what may be an unreliable result.

The votes on

Gnips hammered Wookie. But given the time constraint, this is what a town player should do.

L.P. said he didn’t want to vote jabba, yet clearly was about to at days end. But as with Gnips, this makes sense. Holding off the vote however, leads me to think he’s more likely town, since scum would have no motivation at all to hold off the vote since it was a town player on the block.

Cal also voted Jabba, but with nine minutes left it looks to me like he just chose the target with the most votes.

I voted Jabba, because at that point it appeared we were at a binary choice and I knew I was town, so the odds were better for us if we lynched Jabba.

Pod is dead and confirmed town.

Conclusions drawn; I don’t have anything special. I like LP for townie more than Gnips or Cal based on the vote records but everyones vote has an obvious town explaination. Numbers say that at least one scum had to be in on the vote tho.

Other votes over the day;

Gnips voted LP for following Ovi’s vote on Cal.

Ovi voted Cal for being out then returning to say nothing substantial.

Ovi voted me after the mod error because he needed a smokescreen to push his cop result without alerting scum as to the reasoning, but that was blown up.

I don’t think Cal voted besides Jabba? Did I miss it?

I voted Pod at days beginning, but pulled off because his response felt town to me.

I also liked Gnips argument on LP but dropped my vote on his offer to claim, as I didn’t want to see a claim.

I’m still mulling it over. I was hoping putting it all down would lead me somewhere, but maybe I’m still too hungover to see it.

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Thanks for the analysis @Madaghmire - helpful.

My current read on the players is:

1) Mads - because of Ovi and D1 (but this may change when Ovi weighs in)

2) GNIPs - the hammer (although as Mads says there is a good justification for this)

3) Cal - who feels Town to me from my reread

4) Ovi - because the cop/no other cop counter claim seems to make him safest.

Somewhat thin I admit!

So, I wonder if we might end up settling on a lowest common denominator scum suspicion of @GhostofNobodyInParticular - not anyone’s top scum suspicion but enough of a number two by enough people that (if backed up by @ovinomanc3r ) might make for a sensible lynch (in the absence of being able to make a stronger case against another player).

I am not voting yet but wanted to give my take on state of play.

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I think both Mads and LP make good points, which concerns me, because as Ovi is pretty much confirmed town at this point, one of them must scum, if not both. But they are both making good arguments, raising good points. So kudos to you guys.

The framer along with the sane/insane thing makes it difficult for me to get a good read on anything. Ovi's information can't be 100% trusted due to framer. I'm trying to work this out.

Possibilities:

  • Ovi Insane Cop, Pod Sane Cop
    • Scum frames Jabba
      • Mads is town
    • Scum frames Mads
      • Not possible
    • Scum frames someone else
      • Not possible
  • Ovi Sane Cop. Pod Insane Cop
    • Scum frames Jabba
      • Would Jabba show up town if scum framed him to an insane cop? Unsure. If so, not possible. If not, Mads is scum.
    • Scum frames Mads
      • Mads is town
    • Scum frames someone else
      • Mads is scum

Since we're at lylo, I want to make sure this is correct. Does this look right? Are all these the right possibilities? Pod's alignment wasn't revealed as sane or insane that I saw.

One thing I worry about is Mads and Jabba are both excellent frame targets for scum. For me, it's like a coin toss whether or not Mads is scum. I assume scum can't "frame" themselves to seem innocent? Didn't seem like that was possible based on the wiki.

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Be back later, going to play some games. If I goofed on anything above, let me know.

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Thanks @Madaghmire and @Caldias - even if one (god forbid - both!) of you prove to be scum this is a super helpful guide to the possibilities and logic trees required to get to a more informed decision - not to mention how to play better as scum if that’s what you turn out to be! Regardless, it’s appreciated!