3 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

The harder I try to answer this the more I appreciate the value of this question...

I *think* Ovi was sane and you were framed (by Cal before the game began as that would seem a very pro move).

I know that Ovi seemed to be leading us away from GNIPs towards the end but I wonder if that was a survival ploy of some kind. I also know that me saying I think Ovi was sane quite possibly further incriminates me as potentially scum but I have to give my honest appraisal of the situation!

Ebons post says Cal was a back up framer. I’m sure it was his idea tho. I think you slipped here.

I will say this, you’re doing a masterful job. If I didn’t think it was impossible for it to be Gnips, I think you might have me.

Last day silver medals for Town seem to be my emerging tragic speciality... sadly, that still means Town will end up first only amongst the losers if I am lynched!

*sigh*

Thanks for the post summaries LP, very helpful.

So: I think I am leaning more toward LP than Mad. He seems to have followed and referenced Cal quite a bit, even day 1 when he put him at top of his list and even voted him.

Additionally, the fact that Mad and I turned up the same result for Ovi makes me think Mad is town. I can buy Mad being scum except that it seems odd to choose me as a frame target. Granted, at the time it was me or LP, but I think that to be a bit flimsy.

As an additional negative, Mad followed me day 1, when he tends not to follow so quickly and with such few words of explanation.

I know LP tries to be as honest as possible his posts, even when scum, and all his posts do feel heartfelt. However at the same time, I get the impression that he is trying too hard to apologize.

I shall have to stew on this a bit more, but that is my current take of the situation.

Alas!

A last, desperate hope...

What do I know:

- that I am Town

- that both Mads and GNIPs have been identified as anti-Town

- but that only one is anti-Town

- that any to all of the following occurred to them: sane and framed vs one of them; insane and unframed vs one of them; insane and framed vs one of them (how would this work? Do the two negatives cancel each other out? I keep trying to understand this bit but end up flailing); sane and unframed vs one of them

- so *all* I need to do is work out which one it is and then leverage my startling lack of credibility into persuading one of my highly sceptical Town compatriots into lynching the Scum and saving the bar... this from the guy who even when he was on the right lines (Cal at the beginning) then swerved off course...

- Gulp!

?

I admire your commitment to the role, but unless Gnips badly misread the situation and voted incredibly poorly. If I’m wrong, then I’m sorry, because then I’ve horribly misread this and played the situation not the read. But I think you’re playing an inspired scum game here, and are just caught out by the way the votes unfolded at the end of day 2.

Again, if I’m wrong, I apologize.

##vote Lord Preyer

Sorry, thats “unless gnips misread...I just don’t see how it could be him, or how you could convince me otherwise”

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

I admire your commitment to the role, but unless Gnips badly misread the situation and voted incredibly poorly. If I’m wrong, then I’m sorry, because then I’ve horribly misread this and played the situation not the read. But I think you’re playing an inspired scum game here, and are just caught out by the way the votes unfolded at the end of day 2.

Again, if I’m wrong, I apologize.

##vote Lord Preyer

There is nothing inspired about my game here - either scum nor Town. For if I were scum I would at least hoped not to have been so obvious (from my quick vote at the start onwards!) whilst if I am Town (which I am) I am just throwing everything I have at a desperate attempt not to be responsible for yet another Town failure!

To: The Other Town Player

From: Me (Your Other Town Player)

Date: 1 day to Lynching

Subject: Trust me

Dear Other Town Player,

We’ve not met. We’ve not played Armada together, we’ve not shared a pint. You don’t know what I do for work, I don’t know where you live. We haven’t argued/agreed over Last Jedi, we haven’t shared a confidence about lives, families or relationships. So we haven’t been able to learn when to trust (or not trust) each other.

And it gets worse. Because we have played Mafia together - and Mafia is a game that actively rewards secrecy and erodes trust. So this makes it even harder to know when to trust one and other.

So all of this context, let alone how I’ve misplayed my hand in this game, does not lead you to know me or trust me. But I am asking you now to do just that so that Town doesn’t lose.

This may be in defiance of logic, this may be against your experience but read my posts again, read my play style and read me: these are not the words or actions of someone bluffing or trying a gambit, this is real and this is honest.

If you vote for me Town loses. If I am lying in this than come the future my Town credibility will be in pieces and my reputation for being a terrible player who is also an outrageous liar will be all that remains of me in that sorry future. And if you knew me, you would know that I would not want that because that’s not who I am.

So I ask you to please do something hard, illogical even, and step back and assume I am telling the truth and examine again the other player. You control this game now. If *you* see the case against them and you take a leap of faith in believing me then Town might yet prevail.

Thank you for considering.

Sincerely,

Marcus

**** son. Thats commiting to the bit.

I just dont see how it could be gnips. I’ve had a vote on you for hours. Theres no way he wouldnt have hammered? Unless maybe he hasn’t seen it? I dont check timestamps.

##unvote Lord Preyer

I guess I need to hear from Nips after all, although I still lean towards you.

@Madaghmire.

@Lord Preyer - Mad

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

2 to hammer

Thank you @Madaghmire.

All I ask is that you or @GhostofNobodyInParticular make an full and clear assay of the other player. If at the end you suspect them and choose to trust me then Town has a chance. If you do not, because the evidence is lacking or because your doubt about me is still too great, than I respect that and will at least lose knowing I tried my all.

As of 1 minute ago his time stamp said he last visited 7 hours ago.

I hate these making-the-mind-up situations, so I shall avoid it.

@Lord Preyer - you read town to me, more or less, and if you are scum you deserve the win, so:

##vote Mad

Thanks @GhostofNobodyInParticular.

If I were scum now the correct thing for me to do would be to join you and vote to hammer Mads.

But I won’t because I’m Town.

Instead I’ll give him time to respond whilst I sleep on the case and come the morning do a full and final appraisal of you both and thus try to earn some actual worth in this game after all.

Gosh will I be relieved though when this is done and dusted!

Oh, and if either of you want to assist me in my attempt to graduate from Pink Panther to Go Go Gadget levels of detective ‘ability’ please feel free to weigh in with your case for why it might be the other!

Goodnight!

34 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

Oh, and if either of you want to assist me in my attempt to graduate from Pink Panther to Go Go Gadget levels of detective ‘ability’ please feel free to weigh in with your case for why it might be the other!

Goodnight!

I don't have much of one.

Mad followed me on day 1, using my case with no discussion, which was exactly what I voted you for (using obis case). It meant my arguments against you worked for him as well, as I mentioned at the time. Mad also was in favor of both cops revealing, even though that meant that cop #2 would be night 2's target, thereby preventing him from confirming his sanity or from getting decent results, as well as giving the scum a free target.

He voted opportunistically, and was the only one to rationalize scum behavior and determine the sanity of the cops, which can be very suggestive if not carefully analyzed and incredibly misleading, especially to said cops.

4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I don't have much of one.

Mad followed me on day 1, using my case with no discussion, which was exactly what I voted you for (using obis case). It meant my arguments against you worked for him as well, as I mentioned at the time. Mad also was in favor of both cops revealing, even though that meant that cop #2 would be night 2's target, thereby preventing him from confirming his sanity or from getting decent results, as well as giving the scum a free target.

He voted opportunistically, and was the only one to rationalize scum behavior and determine the sanity of the cops, which can be very suggestive if not carefully analyzed and incredibly misleading, especially to said cops.

If I was scum, and voted “opportunistically”, I could have simply withheld my vote in d2 and this game would be over. I

As to D1, sometimes, when people make a strong argument, people follow on it. I also unvoted LP before you did after he addressed the concerns you raised. Following isnt always a scum tell, or no one would ever get more than a single vote.

I was NEVER in favor of both cops revealing. I specifically counseled against it. I’ll find the quote in a moment.

On 8/3/2018 at 1:25 PM, Madaghmire said:

Theres no reason for a second cop to claim. Even in Ovi’s fever dream, theres no reason to claim, the cop just needs to push his investigation result.

Ovi, anti-town would be a great reason, if only it applied here.

Gnips, I also dont even know wtf you mean by “rationalize scum behavior”, so i cant address it. I’m still leaning LP based purely on voting record, but that last comment about opportunistic voting makes me wonder if you even knew that we were at Lylo, not mylo. Scum didnt need a lynch.

9 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Gnips, I also dont even know wtf you mean by “rationalize scum behavior”, so i cant address it. I’m still leaning LP based purely on voting record, but that last comment about opportunistic voting makes me wonder if you even knew that we were at Lylo, not mylo. Scum didnt need a lynch.

I mean explain/analyze the scum's behavior.

I said it wasn't much of one. That is how it seemed to me. I realize it is full of holes. But the fact that LP hasn't hammered means it must be you.

Good morning!

@Madaghmire could you possibly expand on why you previously thought it was so very unlikely for GNIPs to be the Scum?

Also, if I am still suspicious to you Mads then shouldn’t I have hammered you? I mean, reasons of deeply weird performance art not withstanding!

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - what was your take on Ovi’s reads especially at the end?

Cheers!

56 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

Good morning!

@Madaghmire could you possibly expand on why you previously thought it was so very unlikely for GNIPs to be the Scum?

Also, if I am still suspicious to you Mads then shouldn’t I have hammered you? I mean, reasons of deeply weird performance art not withstanding!

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - what was your take on Ovi’s reads especially at the end?

Cheers!

Because if Gnips were scum, why throw a vote on Cal?

31 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Because if Gnips were scum, why throw a vote on Cal?

Don’t scum bus scum for Town cred? Isn’t that something you yourself have done on occasion? The creed is: “Always be scum hunting” right?